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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,029 Views)
Vermonter
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To my fellow Filipinos, prepare for war with China.
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http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/asi...le_1652653.php/


Taiwan-refuses-to-recognize-ASEAN-China-pact-on-Spratlys

Taipei - Taiwan on Friday said it refused to recognize a pact reached between the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and China on the Spratlys islands dispute two days earlier.
The Foreign Ministry said that the Republic of China (Taiwan) government will not recognize any resolution on the Spratlys reached without its participation.
On Wednesday, ASEAN and China agreed on a so-called Declaration of Conduct setting up guidelines for international cooperation in disputed parts of the South China Sea.
The Taiwan Foreign Ministry said that whether looked at from the perspective of history, geography or international law, the Spratlys as well as their surrounding waters, seabeds and subsoil, belong to the Republic of China (Taiwan).
Taiwan upholds the basic principles of 'safeguarding sovereignty, shelving disputes, promoting peace and reciprocity, and encouraging joint exploration,' the ministry said. It is willing to work with other relevant parties in the region to find resolutions to disputes.
The Spratlys are claimed wholly or in part by Vietnam, Taiwan, China, the Philippines, Malaysia and Brunei, and all but Brunei have a military presence on one or more of the otherwise uninhabited atolls. The islands are believed to contain substantial offshore petroleum reserves.
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Screw taiwan, they only have 1 island ther so who give a f--k.
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US calls for more clarity on South China Sea claims
07/23/2011 | 03:55 PM

The United States called on Saturday on rivals in the disputed South China Sea to back up territorial claims with legal evidence -- a challenge to China's declaration of sovereignty over vast stretches of the region.

"We also call on all parties to clarify their claims in the South China Sea in terms consistent with customary international law," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in remarks at Asia's largest security conference.

"Claims to maritime space in the South China Sea should be derived solely from legitimate claims to land features," she said. The South China Sea row has taken center stage at this week's meeting of the ASEAN Regional Forum on the Indonesian island of Bali, where the United States, China and Southeast Asian nations have discussed the future of the potentially resource-rich region.

China, Taiwan, and four ASEAN members -- the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam -- all claim territory in the South China Sea, while Washington has irritated Beijing by declaring it also has a national interest at stake in ensuring freedom of navigation and trade.

China's claim is the biggest and Beijing says it has had indisputable sovereignty over the South China Sea since ancient times.

Beijing on Thursday agreed to take preliminary steps with its Southeast Asian nations to establish a "code of conduct" for the South China Sea, a step Clinton said could ease tensions that have rattled the region as disputes between China, Vietnam and the Philippines heat up.

But she indicated on Saturday that the United States would push for more clarity on the subject, suggesting that all nations involved should delineate their claims according to the 1982 international Law of the Sea.

The Philippines also said China's claims had no validity under international law.

'Exaggerated" claims

US officials said many of the national claims to territory in the region were exaggerated, and that many nations had also preferred to legitimize claims based on historical precedent rather than land features.

Clinton said the United States had no claim to the South China Sea, and took no position on the relative merits of competing claims.

But she said the United States, as a maritime nation, did have an interest in ensuring that disputes were resolved peacefully, and called on all countries involved to avoid exacerbating the situation.

"They should exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes ... including, among others, refraining from taking action to inhabit presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features, and to handle their differences in a constructive manner," she said.

A senior US official said Clinton's move to invoke the Law of the Sea convention to assess claims could require many countries to dig for solid evidence to back up their territorial assertions.

The United States itself has signed but not ratified the Law of the Sea.

But regional claimants -- excluding Taiwan, which Beijing views as a renegade province and blocks from almost all formal international agreements -- do belong to the convention, although there remains no clear international procedure for adjudicating rival claims.

"The truth is that almost all claimants in the South China Sea have exaggerated claims so this is something that frankly will cause all the various countries to have to look very carefully at their overall approach," the official said, adding that overlapping claims to land features could complicate the issue. "As a first step, greater clarity and precision around both claims and the legal foundation for those claims we think would serve as an important confidence-building step." — Reuters

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DFA chief: China claim on West Philippine Sea 'baseless'
07/23/2011 | 07:37 PM

Two weeks after agreeing with his counterpart in Beijing “not to let the maritime disputes affect the broader picture of friendship and cooperation between the two countries," Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said at a regional security forum in Indonesia Saturday that China’s “9-dash line claim over the entire South China Sea… has no validity under international law."

“If Philippine sovereign rights can be denigrated by this baseless claim, many countries should begin to contemplate the potential threat to freedom of navigation in the South China Sea," del Rosario said at the 18th ASEAN Regional Forum (ARF) in Bali.

The DFA chief informed the ARF that the Philippines “suffered at least seven (7) aggressive intrusions since late February into where we maintain we have sovereign rights. These intrusions happened within eighty-five nautical miles from the nearest Philippine island of Palawan and nearly six hundred nautical miles from the nearest coast of China."

The Philippines protested the intrusions but del Rosario said the response it got from China “was a denial that no such intrusions occurred because of China’s 9-dash line claim over the entire South China Sea."

Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi and del Rosario met in Beijing during the latter's official visit from July 7-9.

Both ministers "reaffirmed their commitments to respect and abide by the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea signed by China and the ASEAN member countries in 2002," according to their joint statement on July 8.

Addressing top diplomats of ASEAN and its dialogue partners, which includes China and the United States, del Rosario reiterated the “preventive diplomacy solution" the ARF has pushed for.

Del Rosario said the preventive diplomacy approach could be implemented “through a process of segregating the disputed features from the non-disputed waters."

“In the alternative, the Parties may wish to consider subjecting the 9-dash line to validation in accordance with the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea," del Rosario added. Aside from the Philippines and China, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia, and Taiwan also have claims on the Spratly Islands, some of which the Philippines refers to as the Kalayaan Island Group.

The DFA Secretary explained that the first option of a segregation process “will have to be vetted by the ASEAN maritime legal experts scheduled to meet in September in Manila."

Del Rosario concluded his remarks at the ARF “exchange of views" by saying stressing that “a rules-based approach is the only legitimate way in addressing disputes in the South China Sea." — TJD, GMA News

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BEIJING, July 22 (UPI) -- China has launched its largest amphibious dock landing warship, the 19,000 metric ton Jinggangshan, in Shanghai.

The 689-foot-long warship can carry 1,000 soldiers, helicopters, armored fighting vehicles, boats and landing craft, a report in the China Daily said.

The vessel is the second Type 071 dock landing ship built by Shanghai's Hudong-Zhonghua Shipbuilding.

The first Type 071 dock landing ship, Kunlunshan, which has no helicopter capacity, was launched in December 2006 and commissioned into the Chinese navy in 2007.

By definition, the U.S. Navy says, an amphibious dock landing ship has a well deck and a ballast system that raises and lowers the vessel in the water. This allows small ships to move into the well and be dry-docked within the ship's well when the vessel is raised in the water.

Analysts said the introduction of both ships gives the Chinese navy a global reach that it hasn't had before. The ships can handle large troop accommodation as well as maintain smaller vessels in far off seas away from China's traditional closer-to-home waters.

In particular, a large helicopter flight deck at the stern of the Jinggangshan is enough to support the operation of two medium-size helicopters such as Z-8/AS-321 Super Frelon, analysts at GlobalSecurity.org said.

A vessel such as the Jinggangshan can be very useful in the South China Sea where China has been flexing its naval muscles this year over its territorial claims to the Spratly Island group.

The Spratly Islands -- the largest group -- lie off the southwestern coast of the Philippines as well as near the coasts of Brunei and Malaysia. China is one of the claimants, which include Vietnam and Taiwan. Philippines and Vietnam in recent months have complained of Chinese vessels encroaching upon their territorial waters near disputed islands.

The belief that the Jinggangshan might be used in the South China Sea is based on the fact that the home port of the first ship, the Kunlunshan, is at China's South Sea Fleet's headquarters at Zhanjiang Naval Base in Guangdong Province, GlobalSecurity.org said.

Analysts also have said the Jinggangshan looks similar to the U.S. San Antonio-class landing platform dock vessel. The Jinggangshan's cargo capacity is possibly as large of the U.S. Navy's Austin-class LPD.

"If this estimation was correct, the Type 071 LPD can carry a marine corps battalion, including 400-800 troops, 15-20 amphibious armored vehicles and their associated logistic supplies," GlobalSecurity.org said.

The consortium China State Shipbuilding and Trading Corp. reportedly has offered to build a modified version of the 071 LPD for the Malaysian navy.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-.../#ixzz1SzUiETvh
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Would it be feasible if we seed selected areas in the KIG with mines?
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China Hungry for South China Sea Oil: Philippines
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I wonder what would happen if that is to be hit by a harpoon missile.
Modernization should prioritize:

Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy.
Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce.
SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army.
This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.
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Somebody would need to get their hands on the schematics of the ships to ascertain where the vulnerabilities are. Simply shooting a Harpoon at it may not achieve the desired affect.

What type of ECM does the ship have?
What type of CIWS does it have?

This type of ship would likely have an escort with an IADS which would further complicate the task.

The Harpoon Operational range is in excess of 67 nmi (124 km) depending on launch platform

The Chinese 51C uses the SA-N-20 with the new 48N6 missile. It has a missile speed of Mach 6 + and the maximum engagement range of 5–150 km (3-93 mi) with the altitude envelope to 10m-27 km (33–88500 ft).

The new missiles have:
track-via-missile guidance method
Ability to intercept short-range ballistic missiles.
Infrared terminal seeker
Reduced vulnerability to saturation (ECM)

The export version is called the Rif-M. Two Rif-M systems were purchased by China in 2002 and installed on the Type 051C air-defence guided missile destroyers.

This also allows the missile to engage contacts over the radar horizon, such as warships or sea-skimming anti-ship missiles.

So if the Chinese escort this baby with the 51C class destroyers, we do not have a plane that can get close to it and even if the plane can get close enough to pop a Harpoon off, the Rif can take it out.

The Chinese 52C class has the HQ9 which is a knockoff of the S300 and has a operational range of 200 km with a ceiling of 30 km (98,425 ft)

If they use a 52B class ship as an escort then we have a good chance to pop the Type 071's. The grizzleys just do not have the range but we still need to contend with CIWS. This may require multiple shots and the use of ECM systems that can overwhelm the IADS C2.


You would need to plan to take the 51C/52C out with a sub and based on my conversations with high ranking US Navy personnel and my own studies online, the US Navy has allowed its sub hunting skills to atrophy as of 2005. Recent events (2006 on) may have forced the US Navy to get its collective s@#t together and start rebuilding a competent cadre.

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