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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,045 Views)
spearhead
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Marschall
Jun 21 2011, 12:29 PM
History is no argument. If we are to argue historically, then Malaysia should hand over Sabah right away - increasing the Philippine EEZ-based claim. And as already pointed out before, the Spaniards also colonized portions of Formosa: should we get those too? And what part of history does China allude to? What if we point to another point of China's history when it was not yet unified and much smaller?

The whole "history" claim of China is - to put it plainly - idiotic.


As for Taiwan: the Taiwanese ought to give up all claims on the WPS. They should learn how to read maps and compare distances.

Any industrialized nations are always getting greedier until they become fat and bloated.
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Tsukiyomi
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Sadly, countries like China will most likely ignore or abrogate any agreements we make with them regarding the Spratleys. Their end game is to take the islands and reefs without consideration of anything.

As I have said before and will state again, the Chinese only know force, deception and subletly. They have become very good at twisting a debate and popular opinion to match their own positions.

Look at Tibet. Now, many growing up in the world thinks that Tibet has always been a part of China rather than the fact that they were invaded. 50 years from now, at the current rate, the new schoolchildren around the world might be taught that China has always owned everything in the Western Philippine Sea.

How much longer after that before they produce historical "evidence" that allows them to lay claim to Palawan...

If you do not draw a very clear and unambiguous line in the sand NOW, right freaking now, these bastards will steal these territories and again we will be the butt of jokes in asia and the world. This line is not solely composed of protestations in the UN, press releases and ambassadorial bitch fits. It requires all of that and the very real Use of Force. If we do not prove to the US that we are serious about this claim, they will be less inclined to support us when push comes to shove.

BTW, cut a deal with the US and Japan. Base their forces in a "remote location" and have the Japanese foot the bill as they do in Japan. This will effectively reduce the Japanese long term costs and improve the political standing with their citizens, especially on Okinawa.
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Jun 20 2011, 05:50 PM
^^

You have your facts wrong.

The Philippines is the one who is aggressively implementing "gunboat diplomacy".

You seem to forget the heavily armed gunboat Humabon has been deployed to the Spratlys whereas China has no armed warships in the area.

This is the kind of misleading statements that only serve to exacerbate the situation.

You Filipinos are really fond of hyperbole and excessive bravado and drama.

Then stay away from spratlys, china has no legitimate reason to even explore the West Philippine Sea.
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I've been trolling PRC military forums and it is galling to see that they don't respect us at all. Majority of posts belittle not only our military capability but our nation as a whole. Words like poor, insignificant, weak, of no importance, boot-lickers, etc. abound in their posts. There are even some who suggests that the PLN fire upon and sink any ships entering the West Philippines Sea. Where do we draw the line and stand up to the PRC?
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Aquino: PHL will not abandon claim to Spratlys

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COTABATO CITY — Saying the Philippines will not be cowed by China’s size, President Benigno Aquino III on Wednesday said he will not abandon the country’s claim on the contested Spratly Islands.

“I don’t think I would be doing my duty to the people and the State if we agree na sige lahat ng gusto nyo sa inyo na lang kasi ang laki nyo sa amin. Mukhang mali yatang prinsipyo yun," Aquino said at a press briefing after visiting flood victims here.

Aquino, however, said the country is not being “belligerent" to China, a claimant to the supposedly oil- and mineral-rich group of islands, but is just exercising its right as a sovereign nation.

“Baka certain quarters are saying, bakit ba tayo belligerent, bakit ba binubunggo itong napakahiganteng bansa? Hindi po natin binubunggo, ang ginagawa lang po natin pinoprotektahan natin ang karapatan natin dahil yung karapatan natin kung hindi mo ie-exercise, inabandon mo," he said.

The Philippines recently deployed its only warship to Scarborough Shoal after it accused China of intruding the country’s territorial waters.

Aquino said if the country would allow China to claim parts of Spratly Islands that are within the country’s exclusive economic zone as stated under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS), the Philippines would lose its right over the islands.

Under the UNCLOS, which was promulgated and adopted in early 1980s, a country’s exclusive economic zone is defined as 200 miles from its continental shelf.


http://www.gmanews.tv/story/224129/nation/...aim-to-spratlys
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atreidesx69
Jun 22 2011, 11:18 AM
I've been trolling PRC military forums and it is galling to see that they don't respect us at all. Majority of posts belittle not only our military capability but our nation as a whole. Words like poor, insignificant, weak, of no importance, boot-lickers, etc. abound in their posts. There are even some who suggests that the PLN fire upon and sink any ships entering the West Philippines Sea.  Where do we draw the line and stand up to the PRC?

Ganyan talaga ang karamihan sa mga Chinese Mainlander, they are PIGS in character, attitude and their manners. If any of these PLAN ships will try to fire and sink our Patrol boats then we will try protest their actions thru the United Nations and a quick withdrawal of investment of Western Countries in their country. Freeze their Nation's Assets...

If they go further then we will witness another battle in the sea like " Battle of Leyte Gulf "... By that time we will have a squadron or two F18s to sink their ships with Intelligence information feed from US and allies. US will continue to supply us necessary Weapons and technical assistance like technicians/mechanics to keep our Fighter jets in the Air...
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Military to repair airstrip on Pagasa Island in Spratlys

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MANILA, Philippines—The military is preparing to repair the airstrip on Pagasa Island in the disputed Spratlys, which is being claimed by the Philippines, a military official said Wednesday.

According to Lieutenant General Juancho Sabban, commander of the military’s Western Command, the repair of the runway is on their priority list.

“If there is no airstrip, our troops will be pitiful. It is used for delivery of provisions and for evacuating our sick soldiers, so we really prioritize that (repair),” Sabban said.
During the last delivery of provisions for the military by the Navy’s BRP
Benguet,  some construction materials were also unloaded, but Sabban said they are still awaiting the delivery of more construction materials. The air force engineers also have available equipment in the area, Sabban said.

Sabban added that Armed Forces Chief General Eduardo Oban had ordered the reconstruction of the airstrip “as soon as possible.”


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When will the AFP actually start the repairs? It's been reported many times before...


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Even just to repair an airstrip seems to be a very difficult task.
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Jun 22 2011, 07:30 PM
When will the AFP actually start the repairs? It's been reported many times before...

the plan in the 1970s was to cement the airstrip and install arrestor cables for the PAF F-8 crusaders, but it did not push through and only C-130s, islanders, etc could land. maybe they will do a real upgrade this time so even USAF jets can land which would require project planning and more money. a lot of things are happening lately...Who knows.... just sharpen your bolos and kampilan :fire:
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