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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| AWOL Geek | Jun 20 2011, 05:50 PM Post #781 |
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^^ You have your facts wrong. The Philippines is the one who is aggressively implementing "gunboat diplomacy". You seem to forget the heavily armed gunboat Humabon has been deployed to the Spratlys whereas China has no armed warships in the area. This is the kind of misleading statements that only serve to exacerbate the situation. You Filipinos are really fond of hyperbole and excessive bravado and drama. |
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| truegrit | Jun 20 2011, 06:47 PM Post #782 |
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Philippines patrolled the West Philippine Sea since the 1960s wherein there were no Chinese and Vietnamese occupied or claimed islands then... Only Philippines and Taiwan were the occupants so China has no right to question us why we send an old World War II Destroyer. Also the destroyer is only patrolling the Scarborough Shoals which is facing the Province of Zambales and this shoal is not part of the Spratlys. So China has no right to question the Philippines why we Patrol our own Waters which is still part of our own Economic Exclusive Zone. Now I ask you why Chinese Warship no. 560 - Missile Frigate fired 3 salvos on the unarmed Filipino Fishermen near the Philippines-claimed islands in Spratlys? Even radioed on those boats to leave because those Fishermen are inside China Territory. Are you kidding? Part of China's Territory with distance over 560 miles from Hainan. Rajah Humabon is there but never it did fire anyone with its old guns which is in contrast with China. Our old destroyer will Fire if they are fired upon for self-defense. |
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| AWOL Geek | Jun 20 2011, 07:04 PM Post #783 |
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Review my previous posts where I already refuted this preposterous claims of PLAN warship 560. |
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| truegrit | Jun 20 2011, 07:14 PM Post #784 |
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We don't Care your refute coz we don't deal with a Double Face People ... like Mainlander Chinese with their Communist Ideology.. We don't trust the likes of you and we will continue to shout as long as we feel you are Intruding and Attempt to harass our Exploration vessels inside the Philippines EEZ or even try to claim part of our Maritime Territories. |
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| atreidesx69 | Jun 20 2011, 09:27 PM Post #785 |
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I'm sorry AWOL Geek, but I've made no misleading statements. The Philippines is not the one who put up permanent structures in violation of previous agreements on islands inside the West Philippine Sea. We are not the ones who accosts legitimate fishermen fishing inside our own territories. We are not the ones who fired upon and killed Vietnamese sailors. And we definitely are not the ones who are making unbelievable claims on islands hundreds of miles from their country. And like gritpaladin said, the BRP Rajah Humabon is patrolling the Scarborough Shoals, not the Spratlys. Check your facts. |
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| Marschall | Jun 21 2011, 07:17 AM Post #786 |
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What refutation? You meant your suggestive denial? |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| spearhead | Jun 21 2011, 10:04 AM Post #787 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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Alam nyo sa totoo lang ang vietnam ay dapat hindi na nakikisawsaw sa spratlys. Kung tutuusin, sila ang pinakang halos walang legitimate reason why they should claim any of this islets. I would understand china, taiwan (bcuz they were part of china), malaysia and brunei's situation. But above all, i really think that atleast the philippines should get 90% of all those islands around spratlys. Vietnam shouldn't be there at all, they're piece of crap, too greedy, and they were the ones who got almost all of it. I honestly think that, these vietnames actually never seen these islands at all before until during the vietnam war when thousands of their boat-people paddled their way to the philippines and came across with those reefs. Just looking at their claims, even all grade one students will take notice of it.
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| Marschall | Jun 21 2011, 11:42 AM Post #788 |
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![]() If at all, the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia are the only ones with any legitimate claims to the islands. Malaysia's and Brunei's claim are backed up also by geographical proximity - though we have to take way Sabah's EEZ favouring Malaysia's claim since neither the Philippines nor the Sultans of Sulu ever gave up on sovereignty over the West Philippine Sea and the islands therein. China is just greedy. Its claims are laughable at best. The only thing stopping people form laughing at them is their military and economic power. Vietnam is likewise too far away from these islands. Their geographical argument can wasily be refuted by showing that the Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia are the closest to the contested territories. |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| spearhead | Jun 21 2011, 12:21 PM Post #789 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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Yes you're absolutely right. Actually both countries have no really legitimate reasons to claim any of them, specially vietnam. However, the only thing that might also support the chinese' claims are their history, although their claims doesnt really show any hard evidence. And given the fact that their claims are way off their 200 EEZ limit from the most southern tip of Hainan province. |
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| Marschall | Jun 21 2011, 12:29 PM Post #790 |
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History is no argument. If we are to argue historically, then Malaysia should hand over Sabah right away - increasing the Philippine EEZ-based claim. And as already pointed out before, the Spaniards also colonized portions of Formosa: should we get those too? And what part of history does China allude to? What if we point to another point of China's history when it was not yet unified and much smaller? The whole "history" claim of China is - to put it plainly - idiotic. As for Taiwan: the Taiwanese ought to give up all claims on the WPS. They should learn how to read maps and compare distances. |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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