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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,049 Views)
AVBsupersonic
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Whether it's true or not...
The absurd claims of the whole SCS/ WPS our mainland EEZ and territories that's not part of those disputed Islands and not respecting us and other Countries as well was their biggest mistake... We are not the only Complainant here!
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China claims it has insdisputable ownership of the area, other claimants nations also insist their claims are valid - these differing claims can only be decided through bilateral or multilateral talks, never aggression.

China gains nothing by attacking or sinking Phil Navy vessels or warships of other claimant nations thats why only unarmed patrol ships of civilian agencies are sent by China to the area to protect its maritime claims.

The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.


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Jun 17 2011, 06:41 PM
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AZKALS
Jun 17 2011, 04:25 PM
Vera Files got this report from the military, also photo of PLAN warship 560 that was involved in the incident...


http://verafiles.org/front/9535/


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of course, very easy for your military to feed a false story to this verafile org, there's no actual pic of 560 vessel firing at fishing boats as alleged, not even aerial recon pics of alleged Chinese frigates, besides its not policy of China to deploy armed vessels of the PLAN to Spratlys area, just of MSA & fisheries enforcement vessels.

Really how about the Policy to DENY and Never to Admit?

As commonly said - the ball is in the hands of the Philippines government.

Its your government who made the accusation so its your government's obligation to provide proof e.g. video & pics of Chinese ships shooting at the fishing boats, recon hotos of Chinese warship 560 in actual waters within Spratlys... etc..

So far none. I will be the first to apologize if you can present viable proof that the incident did happen.


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As commonly said - the ball is in the hands of the Philippines government.

NO! The ball is in your HANDS Now! so far we've been shootin some baskets like removing your unauthorized or illegal markers that were installed in our territories, pretty soon maybe even those alleged structures in Mischief Reef will be taken out and re occupied by the Philippines.
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no proof again that those markers you removed are China's, do you have pics of Chinese vessels or personnel installing the markers? The markers could be that of Taiwan, Vietnam, even Malaysia or Brunei.

or the Phil military invented those markers.

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Jun 17 2011, 07:20 PM
no proof again that those markers you removed are China's, do you have pics of Chinese vessels or personnel installing the markers? The markers could be that of Taiwan, Vietnam, even Malaysia or Brunei.

or the Phil military invented those markers.


You sure get a kick out of endless arguments on this forum, maybe it's time to 'PIPE DOWN'...


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As an American, let me remind you, that the area of the most recent incident is well within Filipino territory. Hence the U.S. Ambassador's full support of the Filipino government.



Also, everyone has a right to their opinion in this forum as well.
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truegrit


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Jun 17 2011, 07:20 PM
no proof again that those markers  you removed are China's, do you have pics of Chinese vessels or personnel installing the markers? The markers could be that of Taiwan, Vietnam, even Malaysia or Brunei.

or the Phil military invented those markers.

I say that only Chinese fishermen boats/ Maritime monitoring vessels and Exploration Chinese boats are the frequent passers in this area. I bet those Chinese fishermen are your Spy Surveillance boats to placed those markers just like what China did to Mischief Reef... Who you fooling at?

Now you talk on Filipino fishermen placing those markers? Why would we place markers when we know its our territory? Are you making fools out of Filipinos superior logical thinking. Do you have evidence to your claim that we plant those markers? I bet those markers have Chinese markers on it ...

I have look at all the maps of Tang, Yuan, Han, Ming Dynasties but I haven't seen any of those maps that includes Spratly Islands...

Now I think I have to agree with Gen. Douglas McArthur to drop Atomic bombs on Communist China after the Korean WAR coz he has perceived that in the Future- China with its Communist Ideology and Might will be a PAIN in the ASS for the Freedom Loving Nations in Asia....
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Denial game now?

"No proof of markers being Chinese"?

I suppose the illegal ChiCom bases set up in Philippine territory just got teleported there without prior preparation.

This is why diplomacy does not always work: some people are as dishonest and stupid as one can get.

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MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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R-A-T-S

Suggested Strategy to protect our interest in the Spratlys

1. Build a strong Navy and conduct sustained patrol and monitoring.

2. Build a strong Air Force and complement the patrol.

3. Develop the islands occupied by RP.

4. Negotiate with China for the Fisherman's Shelter (but actually a military base) for joint-use.

5. Allow the United States to put up an Air Force base in Clark or develop a new base to enhance our MDT and national defense readiness.


I highly recommend the 5th line.
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GMA News TV's "State of the Nation": Pinakamalaking barkong pandigma ng Pinas, ipinadala sa Spratlys
06/17/2011 | 09:13 PM


http://www.gmanews.tv/video/82224/sona-pin...ala-sa-spratlys
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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