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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,057 Views)
UncleSam
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Jun 9 2011, 12:22 AM

Malaysia broke with its ASEAN partners at the annual meeting in Singapore by describing China as a 'benign force' in the region

take your pick: :lollol: ...or... :crazy:
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gritpaladin
Jun 11 2011, 12:30 PM
This is what I am waiting for... Communist Vietnam and China fighting till all exhausted their hardwares thus weakens both of them. Then its our chance to evict all Chinese and Vietnamese Claimants in West Philippine SEA. We will start with Mischief Reef - then we build a man-made island like what we did in reclamation area where Mall of Asia is located now...

Declare it as Fishermen's and Navy sailors Recreation Haven... and supply depot with communication satellite systems and Radar.

I wonder if the AFP has the capable to sabotage some vietnamese claimants there to make it look that it was the chinese who did it. :lollol:
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I dont think the US will ever support the philippines publicly if ever china has fired upon the filipinos. The US i believe can actually support the AFP indirectly by means of selling military assets in a friendly price or affordable loans thorugh FMS.
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Jun 12 2011, 05:17 AM
I dont think the US will ever support the philippines publicly if ever china has fired upon the filipinos. The US i believe can actually support the AFP indirectly by means of selling military assets in a friendly price or affordable loans thorugh FMS.

Sir S,

If that happens, it will prove that everything is "Moro- moro" you know what I mean?
and the MDT is just :bs: and that we've been played for more than 60 yrs!
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My worries are : China,PH and Vietnam will fire back if fired upon..anything can happen in a tense situation.

IF,

Chinese fisherman or their maritime fishery vessels harass our Coast Guard or PN vessels as what they have done with JCG in their maritime domain and USNS Impeccable at WPS.

Vietnam miscalculated the Chinese Maritime vessels entering the area of their scheduled live fire drills.

PH Airforce or Navy fired upon by claimants when doing sovereign patrols at West Philippine Sea especially Recto bank (Reed bank) and Isla ng Kalayaan area.

Address Spratly Island to KALAYAAN ISLANDS, South China Sea to WESTERN PHILIPPINE SEA or Kanlurang Dagat ng Pilipinas.
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Jun 12 2011, 05:17 AM
I dont think the US will ever support the philippines publicly if ever china has fired upon the filipinos.

I think you would be wrong in that assumption, but I will concede that much would depend on who sits in the White House at the time.

Keep in mind that the U.S. has high priority strategic interests in the region beyond the SCS disputes themselves, however, the SCS is critically important to most of those strategic interests in one way or the other.

We cannot afford to allow China complete military domination over it and claim 100% sovereignty over all of it like they apparently have sets their sites on doing.
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Philippines to Continue Oil Exploration Near the Disputed Areas:


Sampaguita Gas Field is right next to the Reed Bank area...

http://www.manilatimes.net/business/oil-ga...lys-to-proceed/

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Phl determined to strengthen presence in Spratlys

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MANILA, Philippines - A Malacaang spokesman today said that the Philippines is determined to strengthen its military presence in the West Philippine Sea to protect its territory in the disputed Spratly Islands.

"Concerning our defense posture, the administration is determined to improve the capabilities of our military and Coast Guard to enable the effective patrol and protection of our national security and Exclusive Economic Zone," presidential spokesperson Edwin Lacierda said in a statement.

Lacierda reiterated that the Philippines remains sincere in its call for a peaceful multilateral settlement of the dispute, but said that it will dispute claims to the integral parts of Philippine territory, including the Recto (Reed) Bank in western Palawan.

President Benigno Aquino III had announced that the Philippines will take China's intrusions in Philippine-claimed territories in the disputed islands to the United Nations.


http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.asp...rticleId=695852
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PH cannot invoke Mutual Defense Treaty with US over Spratlys

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MANILA, Philippines Unless any treaty area is attacked, the Philippines cannot invoke the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) with the United States in its ongoing conflict with China over the disputed Spratly islands. Not yet, that is, Senate President Juan Ponce-Enrile said on Monday.
The treaty area, Enrile explained, is in the Pacific area, which covers the coastline of Asia up to the coastline of America.
Any attack against the forces of either the US, or the Philippines in the treaty area will mean an attack against one of the parties to the mutual defense treaty.  So we can invoke the MDT, he said.
Now, if theres an attack against our naval vessels or against any of our air craft within that air space from the coastline of the western side of the Philippines all the way to the mainland of Asia, or all the way to the coastline of the Americas, then we can invoke the MDT because thats the treaty area, he illustrated.
Enrile said the Philippines could also invoke the MDT if other claimants of the Spratly islands would explore, exploit and gather valuable material or harvest trees in the area.
But if anyone just passes through the contested islands, Enrile said they could just notify the Philippines, and other claimants of the area.


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/4015/ph-c..._medium=twitter
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Jun 13 2011, 03:22 PM
PH cannot invoke Mutual Defense Treaty with US over Spratlys

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MANILA, Philippines Unless any treaty area is attacked, the Philippines cannot invoke the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) with the United States in its ongoing conflict with China over the disputed Spratly islands. Not yet, that is, Senate President Juan Ponce-Enrile said on Monday.
The treaty area, Enrile explained, is in the Pacific area, which covers the coastline of Asia up to the coastline of America.
Any attack against the forces of either the US, or the Philippines in the treaty area will mean an attack against one of the parties to the mutual defense treaty. So we can invoke the MDT, he said.
Now, if theres an attack against our naval vessels or against any of our air craft within that air space from the coastline of the western side of the Philippines all the way to the mainland of Asia, or all the way to the coastline of the Americas, then we can invoke the MDT because thats the treaty area, he illustrated.
Enrile said the Philippines could also invoke the MDT if other claimants of the Spratly islands would explore, exploit and gather valuable material or harvest trees in the area.
But if anyone just passes through the contested islands, Enrile said they could just notify the Philippines, and other claimants of the area.


http://globalnation.inquirer.net/4015/ph-c..._medium=twitter

Just to clarify:

Now, if theres an ATTACK against our naval vessels or against any of our air craft within that air space from the coastline of the WESTERN side of the Philippines ALL THE WAY to the mainland of Asia, or all the way to the coastline of the Americas, then we CAN invoke the MDT because thats the TREATY AREA, he illustrated.

1. He said Naval vessels, so fishing vessels are not included on such attack to invoke the MDT.

2. It is also clear from what he said that Western Philippine Sea and South China Sea is included in the Pacific region stated on the MDT.

3. We can invoke the MDT on the KIG issue because it is included on the treaty area. But not yet.

Anyone else who would like to oppose on these interpretation of the MDT. :tomcat:
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