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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,064 Views)
AVBsupersonic
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Tsukiyomi
Jun 3 2011, 12:27 AM
Regarding the placement of markers by the chicoms, I strongly suggest that those markers are torn down and replaced ASAP by Philippine markers.  By international law, if a country is able to show a continuous interest and some kind of physical control in a island, reef or other land item then over time the International bodies will rulle in favor of the current occupier whether it is justified or not.

The Japanese maintained proper control over a territory (Daiyoutai/Senkaku) for over 100 years, established markers, lighthouses, post offfice, conducted research and more in those islands and reefs.  Prior to that the Chinese only claimed they had only "visited" the islands to pick herbs.

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In the end the Japanese claim won out.  Burnt by this lesson, the Chinese are doing the same thing to the Spratleys that the Japanese did to the Senkakus.  If we let time slide by doing nothing we will lose our lands.

I am willing to wager that a number of a media personalities, business leaders and political leaders have been bribed or blackmailed into allowing the Chinese to do what they are doing.  I don't know of any true Pinoy whose blood would not boil at the thought of what the Chinese are doing.

Knowing that important individuals in our countries elite circles are compromised, it might be necessary for a group of real military LEADERS to take preemptive action on their own and fix the problems without waiting for sanction.  If we can force this issue into a very visible and likely violent confrontation, it will espose the Chinese for what they are. 

Blood will be spilled before it is over but the international press does not care about an issue unless blood is spilled.  It must be newsworthy in todays 5 minute soundbites.  Look at the Middle East.  Until people bled the press did not pay much attention.

Further, this will give the Filipino people a cause to rally around the flag and hopefully be the catalyst of reviving our nation again. Moral, educational, spiritual, political and national.  We need a common enemy external to ourselves so we can drop this bullshit tribal and greed mentality and get on track to taking our rightful place amongst the wealthy and powerful Asean and eventually first world nations.

You can argue my point all day but when the dust clears my points will bear the truth.

Regarding the OV-10 incident, one of the first things that should have been done is a Vis ID test given to the OV-10 pilots the minute they hit the ground as part of their debrief to try and ascertain if they knew the difference between different Migs and Sukhois prior to them talking to anyone or consulting any technical data.

This Vis ID test would be part of a very calculated and thorough debrief.  I would videotape the entire debrief and have a voice stress analyzer present and recorded during the debrief so you can get an idea when these guys think they are truly telling the truth, not sure and when they are blatantly lying.  Once you gather the relevant data, the edited/declassified version of the tapes can be released to global news agencies to prove the incident took place.  This would need to be part of a well orchestrated information campaign to expose the Chinese.

As a nation, we need to make it clear we recognize Taiwan as nation and the true government of a Greater China.  This alone will cause the Chinese leadership to "crap its pants" and begin to give us leverage in regard to the Spratleys.  In return Taiwan must recognize our claim to the Spratleys and support our nation more fully in trade and military modernization. 

Peace

Very Accurate thoughts Sir T.....

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Knowing that important individuals in our countries elite circles are compromised, it might be necessary for a group of real military LEADERS to take preemptive action on their own and fix the problems without waiting for sanction. If we can force this issue into a very visible and likely violent confrontation, it will espose the Chinese for what they are.

Blood will be spilled before it is over but the international press does not care about an issue unless blood is spilled. It must be newsworthy in todays 5 minute soundbites. Look at the Middle East. Until people bled the press did not pay much attention.



This is precisely what I'm saying, rather than just stand and not do anything which we all know what the outcome would be. Like I said from my previous post we might even expose their weakness, but with this kind of laid back approach and our Govt. Leaders always saying that we don't stand a chance?

YES it's very TRUE! But is that the way to motivate your Soldiers in Guarding, Protecting our Interests and territories, even if they are already inside trying to take or steal what's ours.... We're just going to say "We are in no position to confront those intruding in our area because we don’t have the capability."-Sec.Gazmin

So meaning "Do Nothing Policy" is being implemented right now...
Our Soldiers should always remember their oath and as mandated by the Constitution to ensure the integrity of our territory and also to ensure the sovereignty of state. You are dead right in saying "If it's necessary for a group of real military LEADERS to take preemptive action on their own and fix the problems without waiting for sanction.

I hope the Govt. and most especially the AFP would change the way they think and to show more Patriotism, which we last felt during Marcos years, regardless of what they say against Pres. Marcos "those were the days......"
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I :salute: those brave fishermen who have the balls to dismantle and destroy those posts and markers placed by PROC. They are indeed good CITIZENS. That is what we call CITIZENSHIP. I bet if war breaks out, I will find this guys. Train and arm them to fight. :fire:
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In conjunction with marker removal and other efforts, I would make it an effort to procure manned and unmanned ISR assets. I would contract a few foreign individuals such as americans to sit in the back of the manned ISR platform and conduct missions over OUR islands. (The yanks seem to be taking the lead on these capabilities)

The americans will consider retiring P3 assets in the future as they are replaced by newer platforms. The P3's are similar to C130's and would provide us with an anti-ship and anti-sub capability.

This will help demonstrate and bolster our claims over the territory, gain data on the Chinese aggressors and in a worst case the Chinese would fire on this unarmed (ISR) asset, we would then have martyrs of Filipino and foreign nationalities that would highlight the territorial aggression of the Chicoms.

The americans would fully exploit an issue like this in private diplomatic channels to use against the Chinese as well which would further undermine the PRC position.

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Philippines to file new UN protest on China
By JIM GOMEZ, Associated Press Jim Gomez, Associated Press – Thu Jun 2, 9:41 am ET
MANILA, Philippines – The Philippines president says his country will file a new protest at the United Nations accusing China of territorial incursion in disputed South China Sea islands.

China earlier denied allegations that its ships intruded into the Spratly Islands close to the Philippine coast to build new structures and fortify its claim in the potentially oil-rich region.

President Benigno Aquino III told reporters during a visit to Brunei on Thursday that the Philippines plans to file a protest at the U.N. .

Aquino said he still hopes to visit Beijing this year and engage China, a key trade partner.

The Spratlys have long been feared as a potential flashpoint of armed conflicts in Asia. They are also claimed by Vietnam, Taiwan, Brunei and Malaysia.


UN Incursion protestation by Phils against Chinese
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Much better if Protest with actions against intrusions, blowing up and destroying markers and buoys and putting back our own markers...

What those Filipino fishermen did was heroic and our Govt. and Soldiers should be ashamed, that an ordinary Filipino was able to do what they were suppose to be doing... while them "DO NOTHING!"
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Bansang Tsina wala pang sagot sa mga new activities nila and new construction sa spratly islands, well within the 200km territory of the philippine archipelago:

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/81041/24oras-c...ura-sa-spratlys


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more filtered news to come regarding the situation in the KIG area.
Address Spratly Island to KALAYAAN ISLANDS, South China Sea to WESTERN PHILIPPINE SEA or Kanlurang Dagat ng Pilipinas.
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Jun 3 2011, 06:34 AM
Much better if Protest with actions against intrusions, blowing up and destroying markers and buoys and putting back our own markers...

What those Filipino fishermen did was heroic and our Govt. and Soldiers should be ashamed, that an ordinary Filipino was able to do what they were suppose to be doing... while them "DO NOTHING!"

AVB ,How do you know its an ordinary fisherman? Do you think they have the facilities to do it without the blessing of the AFP? take note that the area today is a little bit tense and no ordinary fisherman will dare to go there without the knowledge of the AFP/
Address Spratly Island to KALAYAAN ISLANDS, South China Sea to WESTERN PHILIPPINE SEA or Kanlurang Dagat ng Pilipinas.
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^ sana nga mga DPA sila or Marines or Scout Rangers na naka-disguise.
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DFA urges stronger Code of Conduct on South China Sea
Home Updated June 03, 2011 02:23 PM


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MANILA, Philippines - The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) today urged for a more binding Code of Conduct of Parties on South China Sea as it insisted China's violation for its "incursion" in the disputed Spratly Islands.

"This is not the first time that China violated the DOC, that's why we need to move to a more binding Code of Conduct on the South China Sea," DFA spokesman Eduardo Malaya said.

Malaya was referring to the Declaration of Conduct of Parties signed by China with the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in 2002. The DOC seeks to ensure peace and stability in the disputed territory.

“We don’t want a repeat of the Mischief Reef [incident] here," Malaya added, referring to the 1999 discovery of Chinese structures built on that reef in the Spratlys which Manila complained were military structures but Beijing claimed to be “shelters for fishermen."

The DOC reaffirms commitments under the UN Convention on the Laws of Seas (UNCLOS) urging claimant countries “to exercise self-restraint in the conduct of activities that would complicate or escalate disputes and affect peace and stability, including, among others, refraining from action of inhabiting on the presently uninhabited islands, reefs, shoals, cays, and other features."

The DFA earlier announced that it has asked the Chinese embassy in Manila to explain the sighting of coastal marine surveilance ships in the vicinity of Iroquois Reef-Amy Douglas Bank in the West Philippine Sea.

The Chinese embassy had denied the supposed incursion, explaining that the ships were conducting "normal maritime research activities on the South China Sea."

The Spratly Islands are a group of reefs and islands in the South China Sea — believed to be rich in oil and natural gas resources — which are the subject of territorial claims among the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.

The Amy Douglas Bank is located southwest of Reed Bank and east of Patag Island, well within the Philippines' 200- nautical miles Exclusive Economic Zone.

China’s increased presence and activities in the Spratlys this year began on February 25 when Chinese military vessels reportedly fired shots at Philippine fishing vessels at Jackson Atoll, 140 nautical miles from Palawan.

The Philippines also protested last March when Chinese Navy patrol boats allegedly harassed a Philippine-sanctioned oil exploration vessel at the Reed Bank, which is part of Palawan province and not of the Spratlys.

Last May, MIG fighter jets believed to be from China allegedly harassed Philippine Air Force (PAF) reconnaissance aircraft patrolling over Reed Bank. But a week after the Reed Bank aircraft incident, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Liang Guanglie, during a visit to Manila, told Philippine Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin that China does not have MIG fighter jets.

The Philippine government is now pushing for two legislative measures to counter China’s increased presence and activities in the Spratlys that violate the existing China-ASEAN DOC.

The House of Representatives is tackling the Philippine Maritime Zones bill to delineate the country’s maritime zones, while the Senate is working on the Archipelagic Sea Lanes bill. (PNA)
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