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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,080 Views)
Samir_Duran
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Apr 22 2011, 07:02 AM
ha ha ha


from someone someone revealed on Timawa as a poser intel agent known as MSGT. Rigoberto Lagumbay :lollol:

What an intelligent comment. Wala na bang iba. :btt: :btt: :btt:


Now it is clear what the contention is all about. Whether the US bases was a deterrence from Chinese intrusion or not. Remember that the 80's is still a period known as the Cold War. Example of US involvement indirectly is the Afghan war. CIA intel trained Afghan rebels while bin Laden finances the buying of arms. The same thing the US had done with Chinese intrusion in the KIG. PROC was very careful not to alarm the US of its activities in the KIG. They were not confident. At that time there were no semi-permanent or permanent structures but merely markers and buoys. However, after the US vacated and left, the PROC became aggressive on it's moves in the KIG knowing that Uncle Sam is not a threat anymore. The MR incident happened. And we did nothing physically on the area but mere diplomatic protest. It was like a game of chess. Our queen was taken out of the board and whola! the enemy is overconfident and aggressive to check mate us. Bottom line is that the bases was somehow a deterrence. Had the US stayed we still have the funds enough to modernize our AFP. Marcos used the money taken as a lease for the bases to buy arms,clothing, and new assets. After Marcos, the AFP started to deteriorate on it's modernization. That is because Cory used the money for some other projects not for the AFP. This is another story.
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Zero wing
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Why do i have the feeling we are going to be the next South Vietnam with this America will help thing we should know that its up to us to build our doctrine, forces, etc.
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“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Samir_Duran
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Uncle Sam is not responsible for our AFP's modernization, yes. However, no matter how we try to stand alone the US will always find a way to be involved whether overtly or covertly. Ganyan sila kapaki-alamero.
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I agree Sir Zero! But it's much better if we stand on our own, build up a formidable AFP and try to find or use our Natural Resources and barter for things we need for AFP Modernization for our Soldiers to be able to perform their job properly and effectively in securing and protecting our interests especially with regards to KIG.

Let's try and exercise this method that works for us, instead of selling Government Properties and then use this to Modernize AFP and other things we need.

One reason why I was rooting for Manny Villiar before as Pres., for us to have someone who has a very good experience in Business, Trade, Marketing, etc which would have been an advantage and good for the Economy. Sorry :btt:
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But the point is that we should one find other allies two find other sources of military hardware three build our own doctrine, facilities and try to build out own military hardware but baby steps like in guns, gear and equipment etc then if we survive or no war would happen we should move building planes, ship, tanks, facilities etc.

Going to America and asking like dog does not sit well with me or anyone who calls himself a citizen but i know what you are trying to say they find ways around their foreign policy but that's not enough we need a pillar since ASEAN is not willing to commit to a sold stand as a community block we have to depend on ourselves.
"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom."

“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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didu
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Apr 22 2011, 06:58 PM
Marcos used the money taken as a lease for the bases to buy arms,clothing, and new assets.

wrong, marcos deposited the money in his swiss accounts, his administration wasnt known as a kleptocracy for nothing.
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didu
Apr 22 2011, 08:06 PM
wrong, marcos deposited the money in his swiss accounts, his administration wasnt known as a kleptocracy for nothing.


Got any PROOF to back up your statement... :bs:


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Apr 22 2011, 08:02 PM
But the point is that we should one find other allies two find other sources of military hardware three build our own doctrine, facilities and try to build out own military hardware but baby steps like in guns, gear and equipment etc then if we survive or no war would happen we should move building planes, ship, tanks, facilities etc.

Going to America and asking like dog does not sit well with me or anyone who calls himself a citizen but i know what you are trying to say they find ways around their foreign policy but that's not enough we need a pillar since ASEAN is not willing to commit to a sold stand as a community block we have to depend on ourselves.

I agree! Russia is one that we can consider, with a straight forward dealing attitude....

It's just like "You got the Money, I got the Goods then let's TRADE!" Simple as that!

and some other EU Countries as well, they don't like the yanks as well, they just don't have a choice.

Re; ASEAN-

"I suggest that we privately invite the other nations to begin developing their respective claimed areas as well... in a sense stir the pot but make it much more difficult for the Chinese to screw all of us. They will work each of us over in bilateral "negotiations" until none of us have anything left. If we push back multi-laterally, even if disorganized, it will drive the Chinese bat-s@#t crazy. They do not do well in multi-lateral negotiations." - Sir Tsukiyomi's

The Problem with this, there should be someone who will lead and initiate this move, someone from the Leaders of the ASEAN Countries who has a clouting personality and intelligent. Do you think our present government or maybe P.Noy is up for this kind of thing... (baka magka nose bleed lang siya at ma pressure tapos bumile ng secondhand na "Lamborghini.")

What about "NADI"? -
http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/70427/as...lobal-stability
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Apr 22 2011, 08:27 PM
Zero wing
Apr 22 2011, 08:02 PM
But the point is that we should one find other allies two find other sources of military hardware three build our own doctrine, facilities and try to build out own military hardware but baby steps like in guns, gear and equipment etc then if we survive or no war would happen we should move building planes, ship, tanks, facilities etc.

Going to America and asking like dog does not sit well with me or anyone who calls himself a citizen but i know what you are trying to say they find ways around their foreign policy but that's not enough we need a pillar since ASEAN is not willing to commit to a sold stand as a community block we have to depend on ourselves.

I agree! Russia is one that we can consider, with a straight forward dealing attitude....

It's just like "You got the Money, I got the Goods then let's TRADE!" Simple as that!

and some other EU Countries as well, they don't like the yanks as well, they just don't have a choice.

Re; ASEAN-

"I suggest that we privately invite the other nations to begin developing their respective claimed areas as well... in a sense stir the pot but make it much more difficult for the Chinese to screw all of us. They will work each of us over in bilateral "negotiations" until none of us have anything left. If we push back multi-laterally, even if disorganized, it will drive the Chinese bat-s@#t crazy. They do not do well in multi-lateral negotiations." - Sir Tsukiyomi's

The Problem with this, there should be someone who will lead and initiate this move, someone from the Leaders of the ASEAN Countries who has a clouting personality and intelligent. Do you think our present government or maybe P.Noy is up for this kind of thing... (baka magka nose bleed lang siya at ma pressure tapos bumile ng secondhand na "Lamborghini.")

What about "NADI"? -
http://www.antaranews.com/en/news/70427/as...lobal-stability

Sir as i said ASEAN is too conflicted with its member states and lastly its Economic alliance not SEATO not unless we bring it back but as i said it impossible to bring ASEAN together so why waste time we should build up now.
"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom."

“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Two ASEAN members are even shooting at each other as we speak.
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