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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| AVBsupersonic | Apr 21 2011, 05:57 PM Post #421 |
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You Sir, need glasses and need to think outside of the box, yes you are right that the US won't interfere with re; to any conflicts involving us in Spratley, just trying to say to Sir Z, that during those years, the Chicoms respected our EEZs more and didn't even try and even get close to occupy "Mischief Reef" mainly because of the US Bases presence in our Country, in fact our soldiers can even just relax and not to worry about incursions and just patrol that particular area from time to time because of the US Security including our air space during those times...... I HAPPEN TO KNOW BECAUSE AN UNCLE OF MINE TOLD ME! , he was stationed in Subic before in th USN and was deployed aboard the USS Midway in the 1980s.
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| truegrit | Apr 21 2011, 06:01 PM Post #422 |
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Philippines 'invaded' Spratlys in 1970s, China tells UN http://ph.news.yahoo.com/philippines-invad...-034002559.html Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - China has countered a Philippine diplomatic protest at the United Nations by saying it has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratly islands that the Southeast Asian country "started to invade" in the 1970s. China's diplomatic note to the UN, a copy of which was seen by The Associated Press, said the Philippine occupation of some islands and reefs in the Nansha islands infringes on China's sovereignty. The Spratlys are known to the Chinese as Nansha islands. A Philippine protest filed to the UN earlier this month said China's claim to islands, adjacent waters, seabed and subsoil in the South China Sea had no basis in international law. The territorial claims were detailed in a map submitted to the UN in 2009. The Philippines, China, Brunei, Malaysia, Taiwan and Viet Nam claim in whole or in part the Spratlys - a group of islands, reefs and atolls in the South China Sea believed to be sitting atop vast oil and gas reserves. Viet Nam and Malaysia filed protests in 2009 against China's map, and Indonesia, a nonclaimant to the disputed territory, also protested last year. The protests are registered with the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, which will help mediate conflicting claims on territories. 'Totally unacceptable' China said the contents of the Philippine diplomatic note "are totally unacceptable to the Chinese government". The Philippines has said the Kalayaan Island Group in the Spratlys was an integral part of the country, which has sovereignty and jurisdiction over nearby waters and geological features under the international law principle that land dominates the sea. China said the Kalayaan Island Group was part of its Nansha islands and its sovereign and related rights were supported by abundant historical and legal evidence. It said before the 1970s, the Philippines never made any claims to the islands in a series of treaties defining its territory. "Since the 1970s, the Republic of the Philippines started to invade and occupy some islands and reefs of China's Nansha islands and made relevant territorial claims, to which China objects strongly," said China's April 14 note to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon. China said the doctrine that a legal right cannot arise from an unlawful act applied, thus the Philippines could not rightfully claim the islands. Asked for comment, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) of the Philippines said the note verbale sent by the Philippine Permanent Mission to the UN "speaks for itself". |
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| Tormentor | Apr 21 2011, 06:28 PM Post #423 |
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You happen to know because your uncle told you? You're a fool to believe a crewman of an aircraft carrier. He was blowing your ass when he probably told you aircraft from the USS Midway conducted air patrols over the Spratlys. China respected our EEZ because of US cover? Absolute BS! China regularly entered our claimed EEZ starting from mid 1980s and yes, putting buoys and markers on and around Mischief Reef and neighboring reefs, even on a reef less than 100 nm from Palawan! I should know because I was part of the task force that was tasked to destroy the Chinese markers and buoys we found and blow up the so-called fishermen shelters that China put up every chance they get. And not once did I see the presence of US Navy frigate or destroyer from Subic chasing off Chinese infiltrators, much more the USS Midway. |
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| didu | Apr 21 2011, 06:43 PM Post #424 |
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^^ lol..well said sir T..the myth of American protection perpetrated by boastful us navy crewmen, many of whom are Filipinos.
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| AVBsupersonic | Apr 21 2011, 07:58 PM Post #425 |
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I pity your point, coming from a Philippine Soldier/Navy's point of view..... You do very well know that you are on a "Need to know basis" and "Obey first ask questions later" not even knowing that during those event situations the US maybe was the one suggested or requested such orders, a particular task for you to execute. Coming from a Soldier/Navy of the Philippines and even an some ordinary Filipinos, knows that the US can't be directly involved in anything like this, they let soldiers like you to do the dirty work, giving instructions to your higher ups and your CO's, especially with regards to conflicts in the "Disputed Islands" nevertheless most of the plans and especially when it comes to security, the US plays a big role before even in Politics in the Philippines. ![]() Remember I have no contest about Chinese occupation of other Islands in SPRATLEY, but just only about when the time the Chicoms occupied "Mischief Reef" right after the US Bases left.
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| fatbat_mca | Apr 21 2011, 08:10 PM Post #426 |
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I think you're brain is seriously addled.. what do you mean the US suggested or requested that the buoys and shelters be destroyed by the AFP? what for? can you logically justify this? and yet you said that the Chinese respected the EEZs because of the presence of the Americans as told by your uncle, if its true then the buoys would not have been placed and the structures not built in the first place, nothing there to be destroyed by sir T's task force. |
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| spraret | Apr 21 2011, 08:18 PM Post #427 |
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Subic Naval based closed in 1991. China started building substantial structures on Mischief Reef in 1994. The long gap doesn't justify your claim of 'right after'. |
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| spraret | Apr 21 2011, 08:23 PM Post #428 |
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What are your bases in positing this allegation? Can you provide links to reputable sources supporting your claim that the US may have controlled or directed the actions of the AFP in the Spratlys? Adequately justify this or you're just trolling. |
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| fatbat_mca | Apr 21 2011, 08:40 PM Post #429 |
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halata namang nag trolling lang yan boss S ginawang tuta tayo ng mga kano...linya ng mga leftist yun a |
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| spearhead | Apr 21 2011, 08:52 PM Post #430 |
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While i see some problem with AVB in understanding the concept here, that doesnt mean you gonna treat him like that with your insulting smiley. It's wrong to just judge a forumer like that and make fun of him. Considering you been here longer than him, then why dont you set a good example and be reasonable like other old time forumers here than insulting the person. Don't act like an ahole timawan here, this is PDFF so dont treat this place like others.
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