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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (156,083 Views)
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AVBsupersonic
Apr 20 2011, 04:19 PM

My point is.... when we had the US Bases here, if you think about it the yanks were like the ones securing our EEZs, number one examples are Chinese occupation of "Mischief Reef" and "Thomas Shoal" which are inside our EEZ.


I never said anything about Spratley is covered by MDT! but.....

The way I see it, as far as the rest of the Islands. They took advantage of the situations after the Yanks left, knowing that our AFP is not capable of repelling any intrusions, and the lack of patrol around the areas made this possible. They respected and acknowledge our EEZ and Territories during those times when the US Bases were around.

didnt' you read sir zztopy's post?

China sent out naval patrols, conducted oil exploration and occupied islands in the Spratlys despite the presence of American bases in Subic and Clark:

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=o5P4U4...epage&q&f=false

Now post the link that will support your assertion that presence of Americans deterred the Chinese from incursions in the Spratlys.

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Apr 20 2011, 01:53 PM

You mean South China Sea, that is what the articles says and not China itself... :wow:

The whole island chain is a part of China to them. Its still like akin to invading a part of China.
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The reason why the U.S. didn't act is because to them, nobody still owns the spratly islands. While were an ally, the UN hasn't voted yet on what country the spratly's will belong to. They have to remain neutral on that issue for political reasons. Hence the KIG does not belong to the mutual defense treaty.

I really wish it were though :armywink:
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Beijing counters Manila's UN protest, says Philippines 'started to invade' Spratlys in 1970s
By Teresa Cerojano, The Associated Press – 1 day ago


MANILA, Philippines — China countered a Philippine diplomatic protest at the United Nations by saying it has indisputable sovereignty over the Spratly islands that Manila "started to invade" in the 1970s.


More of the article here.
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Apr 20 2011, 07:45 AM
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Apr 20 2011, 01:57 AM
So it's PCG for Spratley's, and the WHEC 715 to patrol Malampaya, Reed bank and secure projects?

I believe China is under the influence of an illegal substance!

For them to say that we invaded them????   :drool:  :crazy:

I have a question for them,    Why didn't any of the claimants particularly China, tried to even occupy or get close to KIG Islands that we occupied, when we had the US Bases in the PHILIPPINES?  If you think about it, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan are all just  "SALING PUSA!" :lollol:   P.Noy should ask them.....

china started occupying islands and reefs in the spratlys in the 1980s, there were still american bases in the philippines that time but the americans did nothing.

I'm talking about Mischief Reef and Thomas Shoal Sir Zz, these two are well inside our EEZ, they were only occupied in 1995 after the US Bases left.
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Apr 20 2011, 08:55 PM
AVBsupersonic
Apr 20 2011, 04:19 PM

My point is....  when we had the US Bases here, if you think about it the yanks were like the ones securing our EEZs,  number one examples are Chinese occupation of "Mischief Reef" and "Thomas Shoal" which are inside our EEZ.


I never said anything about Spratley is covered by MDT!  but.....

The way I see it, as far as the rest of the Islands. They took advantage of the situations after the Yanks left, knowing that our AFP is not capable of repelling any intrusions, and the lack of patrol around the areas made this possible.    They respected and acknowledge our EEZ and Territories during those times when the US Bases were around.

didnt' you read sir zztopy's post?

China sent out naval patrols, conducted oil exploration and occupied islands in the Spratlys despite the presence of American bases in Subic and Clark:

http://books.google.com.ph/books?id=o5P4U4...epage&q&f=false

Now post the link that will support your assertion that presence of Americans deterred the Chinese from incursions in the Spratlys.

If you try and analyze the ones I've posted before you say anything.. I clearly emphasized KIG Islands (occupied) by the PHILIPPINES particularly the occupation of Mischief Reef only in 1995, after the US left in 1992. :salute:
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Apr 20 2011, 06:40 AM
Our first brave volunteer, OK deploy immediately to KIG and dislodge the damn Chinese from the islands they occupy. Contact us immediately if you need reinforcement, we will send AVBsupersonic. :lollol:

VERY FUNNY! :banana: Is this the only thing you can think off??? So SAAAD......
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Apr 21 2011, 04:43 AM
zztopy
Apr 20 2011, 07:45 AM
AVBsupersonic
Apr 20 2011, 01:57 AM
So it's PCG for Spratley's, and the WHEC 715 to patrol Malampaya, Reed bank and secure projects?

I believe China is under the influence of an illegal substance!

For them to say that we invaded them????   :drool:  :crazy:

I have a question for them,    Why didn't any of the claimants particularly China, tried to even occupy or get close to KIG Islands that we occupied, when we had the US Bases in the PHILIPPINES?  If you think about it, Vietnam, Malaysia, Taiwan are all just  "SALING PUSA!" :lollol:   P.Noy should ask them.....

china started occupying islands and reefs in the spratlys in the 1980s, there were still american bases in the philippines that time but the americans did nothing.

I'm talking about Mischief Reef and Thomas Shoal Sir Zz, these two are well inside our EEZ, they were only occupied in 1995 after the US Bases left.

even if the US bases were still here in 1995, China would still occupy Mischief Reef because they know that the US will do nothing except issue a statement of condemnation from the secretary of state as it did after China's takeover of Mischief Reef.

the US has a hands-off policy and does not favor any of the claimants, it does not recognize our claim of the Spratlys/KIG, the US navy then and now has never actively patrolled the KIG in our behalf.
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@Sir Zz,

In 1995, how would you know that China would still occupy Mischief Reef during when the US Bases were still in the PHILIPINES? :dunno:

Let's keep it a healthy discussion Sir Z, after all we are on the same side!

Clearly this was the case then before, that we can ask them and show them how they (China) took advantage of the situations.....

It's our Governments fault or to be specific the "Ramos administration" is to be blamed for this happening, because they let the Chicoms get away with it and to think that having a former AFPC Military General will come in handy, you would think now that maybe they just gave this guy or gayneral something to run for similar to ate glo's re; ZTE, Baseline laws being approved and getting something in return...... :dunno: "It's all about the MONEY, MONEY, MONEY!" :bs:
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AVB, you are a bit thick in the head, you know?

ZZtop clearly said that the US was and still hands off as far as the Spratlys are concerned.

The American government is so serious with this policy that US Navy ships do not actively patrol the Spratlys before and after the closure of its base in Subic.

China took advantage of the situation because of our weak position in the Spratlys and not because of the departure of the US forces from its bases in the Philippines.

Ramos took the diplomatic route because there was no other way our forces could have forcibly remove the Chinese from Mischief Reef.

Not that it wasn't considered, along with the hope that the US would provide military assistance in terms of equipment and weaponry. The US was informed of the plan but when the American government clearly informed Ramos that it would not support a military action the plan was shelved.

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