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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
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In principle nobody is against the goal of modernizing the AFP. However, at this point in time, given the situation of limited resources in this tough global economic
survival, the mainstream priority is the urgent infrastructures to alleviate the growing and desperate demands of the populace such as health, literacy and social well-being - a situation that can be vividly seen in the slums and streets where homeless people called it their place of abode. People die unnecessarily for lack of affordable health facilities because only the better off can afford decent hospital and professional accommodation or the lack of it.

As a small nation, we do not urgently need modern war hardware - least we need but not as a priority. Even if we have to, still it cannot level to what our neighboring Asian countries have in their defense arsenal. It is a long range realization only until the AFP is free from corruption.
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I agree with you Sir Topp! in some point....

But these problems are happening all over the world right now and there are Countries much worst than ours, but still try to maintain, upgrade their Military to be able to cope up with the modern world.

This was also the same alibi used by previous Govts. and then we were all surprised by the exposed "PABAON"???? Post Marcos Governments that only know's and mastered "Money in their Pockets skimming!"



Philippines is not a poor Country and is rich in natural resources but doesn't know how to use it without a true Leader

If we try and not do anything about it now.... it maybe too late!!!

We are very much behind in these areas... thanks to the People who engineered the so called "New Democracy"

This thing won't work without a true blooded leader!
and not just wannabe's.....

I believe that "having a strong Military Forces is also the key to have a strong Economy!" Investors trust only Countries that can protect their investments.

Number of examples are our Neighboring Countries, we once had the best AFP in S.E. Asia and was envied by everyone especially during Marcos time, but after that look what happened......

The more we don't give priority to this the more we are left behind and will be more harder to catch up! even the US said it before, The Philippines should spend and prioritize their armed forces, if they want to be treated with respect.

The more we don't give priority to our Military and Soldiers the more will there be Corruption within them....
The outdated their Military Equipments the more lower or lost on their moral will be!

Much better to abolish the AFP....... :dunno:
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Mar 28 2011, 04:13 AM
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Mar 28 2011, 03:07 AM
I fully agree with you Bro. Hitman!

If you think about it they said the first People Power liberated us from a Dictator???

But really none of them who were even the ones that initiated it, made a difference up to present, all those anti Marcos before who are now elected government officials or have positions in the government now are just relaxing and taking it easy.....

I DON'T THINK THIS WILL HAPPEN UNDER A MARCOS RULE!!!

Sad to say.........

You Bro. as a former Soldier was our AFP better before during Marcos time?  or after Marcos? :salute:

I don't exactly know the present state of the AFP now. But during the Marcos regime, I think the AFP was better because they were paid better than the civilian sector and Marcos took care of us however, there were corruption too but, there were some good things Marcos has done in the or for the AFP as far as modernization. He created the SRDP (self reliance defense program) where he tap local manufacturing of some our defense needs, he also started the Santa Barbara project where he had Filipino rocket scientists develop a locally made rockets and missiles like the Bong Bong 1 and II, then he even have the aviation project that was killed after the he was overthrown where in they were developing a locally made chopper. He also initiated the local assembly and production of M16s in Bataan now still in existence. So if marcos was not overthrown, we would probably have a better well equipped AFP and a thriving local defense industry including our own missiles. I don't want to be politically here but I heard that Bong Marcos is eying to run for president in the next election. He maybe the man we need to turn around the country and gain our respect again and have strong well equipped AFP. Bong Marcos seem to be aggressive and have a better vision for the country. He is also highly intelligent and well educated.

Yes you are right!

He maybe a Marcos sad to say to some people, but clearly is making a big difference and is really a doer when it comes to accomplishments and laws that he passed in the Congress before and now in Senate. He's no B_LLSH_T like others!

I hope he makes it and try to give solution to these problems with regards to Spratley's and AFP and it's Modernization...... :ssalute:
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The more we don't give priority to our Military and Soldiers the more will there be Corruption within them....   
The outdated their Military Equipments the more lower or lost on their moral will be!

Much better to abolish the AFP....... :dunno:

You have a point there sir AVB supewrsonic. However, tying the military with economic growth is quite acceptable but it is down below my mind. By having a strong military capabilities of small country do not attract investors. It instead inject reluctance to their minds because a country who rely on the military to protect investors clearly show that there are no strong policies in place for their protection.

Take New Zealand(where I am now) and Singapore. Their military priority is below the scale among other priorities. Needless for me to elaborate comparison to the Philippines as the facts speaks by itself as far as their economy is concerned.

I would not also accept that the AFP would forever use outdated gears as the budget flows after every fiscal year. What I want to emphasize is the very expensive modernization that would lead our country to an enormous international borrowings that will incur increase the tax burdens of the poor and ordinary "Juan de la Cruz". that can sink our economy into the abyss of economic downturn and shrinkage whereby our poor constituents are continuously neglected. The more money you put into it the more it opens the pockets of the corrupt AFP officials.

High tech gears do not make a good soldier. Discipline, good services remuneration and among other things free from corruption are the ones that uplift and maintain the morale.
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The more we don't give priority to our Military and Soldiers the more will there be Corruption within them....    
The outdated their Military Equipments the more lower or lost on their moral will be!

Much better to abolish the AFP....... :dunno:

You have a point there sir AVB supewrsonic. However, tying the military with economic growth is quite acceptable but it is down below my mind. By having a strong military capabilities of small country do not attract investors. It instead inject reluctance to their minds because a country who rely on the military to protect investors clearly show that there are no strong policies in place for their protection.

Take New Zealand(where I am now) and Singapore. Their military priority is below the scale among other priorities. Needless for me to elaborate comparison to the Philippines as the facts speaks by itself as far as their economy is concerned.

I would not also accept that the AFP would forever use outdated gears as the budget flows after every fiscal year. What I want to emphasize is the very expensive modernization that would lead our country to an enormous international borrowings that will incur increase the tax burdens of the poor and ordinary "Juan de la Cruz". that can sink our economy into the abyss of economic downturn and shrinkage whereby our poor constituents are continuously neglected. The more money you put into it the more it opens the pockets of the corrupt AFP officials.

High tech gears do not make a good soldier. Discipline, good services remuneration and among other things free from corruption are the ones that raises the morale.

New Zealand Sir Topp is a very nice place but it is not as rich with regards to our natural resources, fishing ground areas and a strategic place like our Country the Philippines.

Singapore doesn't need to Modernize their military because they are very well modernly equipped! If you think about it... How come a "small Nation" like Singapore modernized it's army well balanced to the proportion of it's Economy... Strong policies and laws are nothing without the help of Military Power or peolple to implement them.

The Problem is the way some people think differently of our Country from our Neighbhors, instead of looking for what good things we can learn and adapt to our way of life so that we will be able to grow with them to the future.

Let's try to analyze ourselves have we been doing or done the right thing all along after 2 decades+???
If you think about it? We are the only ones doing it differently (backwards) in S.E Asia where our neighbors had overtaken us a long time ago! We can do much much better than this......!

We can't just blame it on Corruption? Corruption it's happening all over!

Indonesia, Malaysia, thailand, S.Korea all have this problems as well....


Re; "high tech gears doesn't make a good soldier"??? - Maybe during WW2 this quote can be applied a bit... But not in "Today's Modern Military World!".

If we don't apply "high tech gears" our Soldiers will just die a good soldier!

Good Morning to you Sir Topp have to go zzzzz already 1:00am here in london have a good day!

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That was a good discussion of the day sir AVBsupewrsonic, have a good night and take care...

I am not mentally primitive as you have despised my comments as antiquated to that of World War 11. I am saying to you straight that the comments I made about a good soldier is absolutely going with the times. Those are the same principles that the military abides since its inception until now and what is only updated and upgraded are the weapons of war and mass destruction.

There is no doubt our country is abundant with natural resources compared to NZ and Singapore but mind you, the population has already risen even much more higher than Great Britain that reached to the level of 100 million while New Zealand and Singapore has an identical population of only over 4 million thus, it makes sense that they have maintained an upgraded(not necessarily highly modernized) defense arsenal but as I said, it's not their priority.
How could military modernization be a priority to a country whose population is over 50% surviving in a hand-to-mouth existence ? Would it be prudent for the Philippines to buy expensive war machines such as submarines and highly sophisticated aircrafts and other sort of stuff which is not easy to come up with and set aside the fact that out there in the populace many cannot even afford a decent meal and shelter just for the sake of modernization ? I can also see some people who have stayed or is staying in rich and powerful countries will always strike the ill-notion of comparison on whatever area of sophistication they have seen without proper insight of the economy of the country they came from to match it's affordability. To me, I do not want myself to ride with the broom of fantasy dreams.

It is easy to copy what our neighbors are doing but we have to scale it in terms of necessity and affordability. :armycheers:
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Govn't to spend P31 Million ($715,000) to upgrade military runway on Pag-Asa island...

http://www.philstar.com/Articles.aspx?arti...bCategoryId=200


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Indeed I enjoyed it Sir Topp, don't mean to offend you in anyway was just got carried away :D

Going back to our discussion, you are absolutely right about your point, but again what I was just trying to point out is..... I'm not saying that our AFP Should buy or upgrade to the most "High tech Military Equipments" out in the Market, instead for them just to balance everything with regards to their Basic equipments and needs, just like what Sir.Hitman said coming from a former Soldier during Marcos rule that they were better off compared to what's happening now..... If these Soldiers are well fed and are "Decently" equipped there would be less corruption I guarantee!

Giving less priority or either not implementing a balanced, gradual upgrades needed would generate more problems and much bigger expenses in the end, which clearly is what's happening now!

I'm glad that P.Noy is giving priority on issues in Spratleys and particularly the protection of "Malampaya" and the plans of oil exploration in "Reed Bank", because this is what our Country needs and would add a big growth to our Economy.

You can just imagine how behind our AFP now.... Especially our PAF, PN not even having a standard equipments to be able to do their job properly, what more if we try to continue neglecting them. :( more "PABAONs", more Soldiers selling their arms and ammunition to the Rebels????

The so called "Insurgency operations" or COIN whatever... this will never end because it's "Pabaon's " Big Brother! "moro moro" you can ask the "Magdalo" about the truth, one reason they were formed.

Take a look at what Sir Spearhead posted on the page before this regarding the "DO NOTHING" policy of our PN stationed in SPRATLEY's ... Neglecting them more means more means we will eventually loose more in SPRATLEY or PALAWAN???

It's not about riding the broom, but doing what's right and properly needed......

Just like what I've posted on some other threads here with regards to possible acquisitions needed, to put the basics in to place first and buy only what we can afford. "BALANCED"
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Sir.Topp, try to read what Sir.Hitman posted on how to get rid of corruption it's a very nice point of view... :armysmile:
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I myself is among the many who is keen with the idea of acquiring modern equipment for our military and police but only depends on the priority and affordability as I have also experienced how we longed for a modern and reliable gears for the military. The police during my time was still a part of the military. To be honest I cannot blame anybody who crave for modern apparatus for the AFP. My opinion was only based on the general situation of the Philippines that I consider it a second priority among other things given the very situation our country has to confront which is to look after the ever increasing number of Filipinos in a miserable state of livelihood next to mendicancy.

Don't worry, you know I don't take any offense on anything regarding replies to my post like how you replied and worried about. Any post and comment I make here has no personal attachment, only sometimes I only use humor to counter it.

Thank you sir AVBsupersonic for sharing your views relevant hereto. It's almost midnight here in NZ and it's time to retire for the day from the quite busy Monday in the office. Have a great day. :drunk:
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Thank You Sir.Topp, for the nice discussion your points taken.....

I guess it's your turn now to have a Goodnight sleep...... My Day is just starting!!! :armysmile:
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