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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| Parastriker | Jun 16 2012, 12:30 PM Post #1911 |
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Well, you do have a point there, Twy. Try this one for size; if U.S. does have a plane buzzing the airspace, they would've warned our radar people about it, so it wouldn't be publicized as a Chinese attempt. Or in the other hand, if U.S. is indeed deliberately doing this "farce" as a cassus belli for their presence, then, I think we have a situation here. |
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| twyxted | Jun 16 2012, 12:33 PM Post #1912 |
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Manila tack on China row wins Asean nod Wednesday, 13 June 2012 21:48 Estrella Torres / Reporter Leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) have agreed that the regional Code of Conduct in the South China Sea should integrate provisions of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos), a treaty that the Philippines cites in its claim to disputed Scarborough Shoal and other islands. Unclos virtually scraps China’s historical claim over majority of the islands in the South China Sea using its “nine dashed line” argument that covers 90 percent of the 3.5-million-square-kilometer South China Sea on Chinese maps. The Asean working group on the Regional Code of Conduct in the South China Sea has concluded discussions on the key elements of the draft Code of Conduct in the South China Sea for the Asean side. Nong Sakal, deputy director general of the General Department of Asean, Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation of Cambodia, chaired the 7th Meeting of the Asean Senior Officials Meeting (SOM) working group on the regional Code of Conduct (COC) in the South China Sea. Cambodia chairs the Asean meetings this year. Members include the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, Singapore, Brunei, Laos, Cambodia, Burma or Myanmar. The inputs of the working group would be submitted for the consideration of the Asean SOM then forwarded to the foreign ministers meeting in middle of July and for consideration of the Asean and Chinese leaders meeting in November this year. “The meeting agreed to submit the draft Asean proposed key elements of the regional Code of Conduct in the South China Sea to the Asean SOM for consideration,” said an Asean statement after the meeting. It included recommendations of the Asean Foreign Ministers in January that the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea must be based on the spirit of the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea in 1982.” The Asean officials drafting the code said, “the UN Charter and universally recognized international laws are aimed at promoting confidence building and cooperation between Asean and China for the sake of peace, stability and security in the South China Sea.” The code of conduct aims to demilitarize the disputed islands in the South China Sea, including the Scarborough Shoal, that are being claimed by the Philippines and China. Other claimants to the disputed islands in the South China Sea include Asean members such as Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam. The Philippines is seeking to engage international and regional platforms such as the United Nations and Asean to address the increasing tensions with China over the incidents in the Scarborough Shoal since April and previous Chinese military presence in disputed islands in the South China Sea based on Unclos. But China insists on pushing for bilateral negotiations with other claimant countries to settle the disputes. The Philippines had earlier opposed the inclusion of China in the drafting of the Code of Conduct in the South China Sea, saying the code should be a product of negotiations solely of the 10-member Asean that will have to be signed as a final document by China. Manila tack on China row wins Asean nod |
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| twyxted | Jun 16 2012, 12:43 PM Post #1913 |
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Yeah, that's why I got stunned for a minute thinking about it. Knowing that it is really possible to happen. I remember what Mr. Z said in the shoutbox "If they do it again and use force on our ships and fishermen, they'll see a surprise what they haven't known. A squadron will meet (at classified) for possible mobilization at a moments call.". Anyway, as Mr. Z have said, it's classified.
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| Samir_Duran | Jun 16 2012, 01:39 PM Post #1914 |
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Yes it is. As what I said in my other post: Let the Chinese do their act and make sure they do not do that fatal mistake of doing something brilliant like firing the first shot or damaging or sinking one of our civilian ships by ramming into it. Someone is watching. |
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| Parastriker | Jun 16 2012, 05:25 PM Post #1915 |
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Well, if they're striving to make it classified, they're doing it in a way that I could clearly see it. |
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| spearhead | Jun 16 2012, 09:16 PM Post #1916 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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Wala na, retreat na: 24oras: 2 PHL ships sa Panatag shoal, pinabalik ni PNoy sa daungan dahil sa masamang panahon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMFghIwwrqg |
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| spearhead | Jun 16 2012, 09:20 PM Post #1917 |
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What the heck the Dr. Z is talking about? Philippines actually got their imaginary 1 MRF squadron already?
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| twyxted | Jun 16 2012, 10:23 PM Post #1918 |
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Well, based on what Mr. Z have said, what I've been thinking is the other way around. Even though that we already acquired a squadron of MRF, our pilots doesn't have any capability to fly it as of now. As sir T have said, someone is watching.. |
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| spearhead | Jun 16 2012, 10:31 PM Post #1919 |
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The US will be there. But i still doubt its gonna escalate to full blown military conflict. It will end peacefully. |
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| twyxted | Jun 16 2012, 10:46 PM Post #1920 |
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Yeah, I don't think also that it is going to escalate in a full blown military conflict. China has a large military asset as we know it but I don't think they've got the balls. As we can see how they were reacting on the strategic shift of US military to Asia Pacific which being welcomed mostly by ASEAN countries and with the help also of South Korea, Japan, and Australia. |
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