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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | May 31 2012, 10:36 PM Post #1891 |
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Imho media is the only weapon we got.we are not stepping down on CHINA level but we want to even the battle ground.kasi kng weapons military budget wala tayo laban.it wont hurt anyway if we try. |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | May 31 2012, 11:59 PM Post #1892 |
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Military monitors Chinese activities on Panatag Shoal MANILA, Philippines - Philippine authorities are not discounting the possibility that the continued Chinese presence on Panatag Shoal could be a prelude to putting up markers or structures to boost China’s claim over the area, sources in the military said Thursday. The sources spoke on condition of anonymity because a gag order has been in effect on defense and military officials, who are barred from providing media with updates on the standoff that began April 10 in the shoal standoff. “We will wake up one day and see markers or small structures already planted inside or outside the lagoon to boost their claim of the maritime area. That’s why we’re closely monitoring their activities. We’ve two ships there but they might not detect all the time the activities of the Chinese especially during night,” a ranking military official said. As of Wednesday morning, there were seven Chinese maritime surveillance vessels and eight fishing vessels in the shoal. “The seven vessels are merchant ships, the FLEC and CMS that we’re earlier reporting. This plus the fishing vessels, China has a total of 15 vessels at the shoal at present,” another official said. China has sent up to 90 vessels to the shoal in the past weeks. For its part, the Philippines has deployed only two vessels, one from the Coast Guard and one from the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR). The standoff started on April 10 when the BRP Gregorio del Pilar was blocked by two Chinese maritime surveillance vessels to prevent it from arresting Chinese fishermen on board 8 fishing vessels who illegally harvested giant clams, corals and different kinds of endangered marine resources in the area. Since then, China sent more vessels on rotation basis to boost its claim over the shoal which is well within the 200-nautical-mile exclusive economic zone (EEZ) of the Philippines. China, however, calls the area Huangyan Island, which is more than 800 nautical miles from its nearest shore. On Friday, Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin is expected to give more details about his bilateral meeting with China Defense Minister Liang Guanglie in Cambodia. Earlier, Gazmin said China is open to dialogue to defuse the tension at the Panatag Shoal. Source |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | Jun 2 2012, 02:15 AM Post #1893 |
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China wants Asia-Pacific countries to handle own affairs Manila, Philippines - China wants Asia-Pacific countries to handle Asia-Pacific affairs and for various sides to work to maintain and promote peace, stability and development in the region. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Liu Weimin called on the United States to respect China’s interests and concerns in Asia-Pacific. “We welcome a constructive role played by the US in the Asia-Pacific, and we hope it will respect interests and concerns of various sides, including China,” he said. “We hope that the US will work with China and other countries in the Asia-Pacific region to build together a region of greater stability and prosperity.” US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the Asia-Pacific will continue to be emphasized as one of the key strategic priorities of the US. Liu said US and Chinese leaders have reached a common understanding on developing a relationship between emerging and established major countries featuring mutual benefit and sound interactions. “This is an undertaking with no precedent to follow, yet under the new circumstances in the 21st century, China and the US must blaze the trail of a new type of relationship between major countries,” he said. China has expressed concern over US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s remarks that its claims in the South China Sea exceeded what the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) has permitted. Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei was reacting to Clinton’s remarks on China’s sovereignty over the South China Sea when she testified before a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing concerning the US accession into the UNCLOS. China is negotiating with ASEAN countries to sign the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea and pursuing dispute settlement through negotiations with countries directly concerned, he added. China had called for limiting the issue of dispute in the South China Sea within claimant countries. It opposes any involvement and display of leadership role by a third party in the South China Sea claims and dispute. Hong said the Philippine attempt to draw a third party into interfering or intervening through whatever means in the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal, also called Bajo de Masinloc, incident will surely escalate the situation and meet with firm opposition from the Chinese side. The US has been pushing for a multilateral resolution to the South China Sea claims. China and ASEAN claimant countries need to turn the 2002 Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC) into a legally binding code to prevent clashes and to keep the vast region open to commerce, the US said. Source say what??how can asia-pacific country handle its own affair specially if u got a country that is aggressive greedy and bully.if asia pacific countrys will deal with there own affair il be damn sure every south east asia country even east asian country will be called china. |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | Jun 2 2012, 02:18 AM Post #1894 |
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Chinese newspaper hits Philippines Manila, Philippines - A day after the Philippines and China came into an agreement to exercise restraint in addressing the Panatag Shoal (Scarborough) dispute, a Chinese newspaper criticized Manila for its supposed illegal and continued occupation of eight islands and islets belonging to China in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea). In its opinion page, China Daily, the mouthpiece of the People’s Liberation Army (PLA), also described the month-long standoff at Panatag Shoal (Huangyan Island) as a ploy by the Philippine government to trick China into recognizing its occupation of the islands and islets including Panatag. Apart from Panatag Shoal, the Philippines is also laying territorial claim over several islets, shoals, reefs and sandbars in the Spratlys group of islands being claimed in whole by China as part its territorial domain. Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan are also among the claimant countries. All but Brunei have forward troops deployed in the region. “Such efforts, of course, have failed,” declared China Daily opinion page writers and researchers in political studies at Guangdong Ocean University, Gong Jianhua and Zhou Jianyuan. Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin and his Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie, in a Phnom Penh meeting the other day, have agreed to exercise restraint in issuing damaging statements as well as conducting provocative actions so as not to complicate the prevailing situation in Panatag Shoal. At the sidelines of the 6th ASEAN Defense Ministers Meeting in Cambodia, both defense chiefs also agreed to keep the line of communications open, which Defense spokesman Peter Paul Galvez said has been active even before the Panatag impasse. “Of course we don’t want to see this (Panatag standoff) go the other way other than have its peaceful resolution,” Galvez said yesterday. Source quack quack quack the propaganda game is still rolling can u pls stop using propaganda to flare up the situation and focus on your political problems.rather than bullying countrys that has a weak military. |
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| matrix | Jun 5 2012, 12:57 AM Post #1895 |
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China's Invented History Beijing is rewriting the past to justify its expansive claims to disputed waters.. By PHILIP BOWRING The conflict between the Philippines and China over the Scarborough Shoal may seem to be a minor dispute over an uninhabitable rock and the surrounding waters. But it is hugely important for future relations in the region because it showcases China's stubborn view that the histories of the non-Han peoples whose lands border two-thirds of the South China Sea are irrelevant. The only history that matters is that written by the Chinese and interpreted by Beijing. The Philippine case for Scarborough is mostly presented as one of geography. The feature, known in Filipino as the Panatag Shoal and in Chinese as Huangyan Island, is some 130 nautical miles off the coast of Luzon, the largest island in the Philippine archipelago. It's well within the Philippines' Exclusive Economic Zone, which, as per the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention, extends 200 nautical miles off the coast. On the other hand, the shoal is roughly 350 miles from the mainland of China and 300 miles from the tip of Taiwan. China avoids these inconvenient geographical facts and relies on historical half-truths that it applies to every feature it claims in the South China Sea. That's why it's now feuding with not just the Philippines, but other nations too. Beijing's famous U-shaped dotted line on its maps of the South China Sea defines territorial claims within the 200-mile limits of Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Brunei, and close to Indonesia's gas-rich Natuna Islands. In the case of the Scarborough Shoal, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs gives the historical justification that the feature is mentioned in a Chinese map from the 13th century—when China itself was under alien Mongol rule—resulting from the visit of a vessel from China. This "we were there first" argument is nonsense. Chinese sailors were latecomers to the South China Sea, to say nothing of onward trade to the Indian Ocean. The seafaring history of the region at least for the first millennium of the current era was dominated by the ancestors of today's Indonesians, Malaysians, Filipinos and (less directly) Vietnamese. As China's own records reveal, when Chinese traveled from China to Sumatra and then on to Sri Lanka, they did so in Malay ships. This was not the least surprising given that during this era, Malay people from what is now Indonesia were the first colonizers of the world's third largest island, Madagascar, some 4,000 miles away. (The Madagascan language and 50% of its human gene pool are of Malay origin). They were crossing the Indian Ocean 1,000 years before the much-vaunted voyages of Chinese admiral Zheng He in the 15th century. Malay seafaring prowess was later overtaken by south Indians and Arabs, but they remained the premier seafarers in Southeast Asia until the Europeans dominated the region. The Malay-speaking, Hindu-ized Cham seagoing empire of central Vietnam dominated South China Sea trade until it was conquered by the Vietnamese about the time the European traders began to arrive in Asia, while trade between Champa (present-day southern Vietnam) and Luzon was well established long before the Chinese drew their 13th century map. The Scarborough Shoal, which lies not only close to the Luzon coast but on the direct route from Manila Bay to the ancient Cham ports of Hoi An and Qui Nhon, had to be known to Malay sailors. The Chinese claim to have "been there first" is then like arguing that Europeans got to Australia before its aboriginal inhabitants. Another unsteady pillar in China's claim to the Scarborough Shoal is its reliance on the Treaty of Paris of 1898. This yielded Spanish sovereignty over the Philippine archipelago to the U.S. and drew straight lines on the map which left the shoal a few miles outside the longitudinal line defined by the treaty. China now conveniently uses this accord, which these two foreign powers arrived at without any input from the Philippine people, to argue that Manila has no claim. The irony is that the Communist Party otherwise rejects "unequal treaties" imposed by Western imperialists, such as the McMahon line dividing India and Tibet. Does this mean Vietnam can claim all the Spratly Islands, because the French claimed them all and Hanoi has arguably inherited this claim? China also asserts that because its case for ownership dates back to 1932, subsequent Philippine claims are invalid. In other words, it uses the fact that the Philippines was under foreign rule as a basis for its own claims. Manila wants to resolve the matter under the U.N. Law of the Sea Convention, but Beijing argues that its 1932 claim isn't bound by the Convention, which came into effect in 1994 since it preceded it. That's a handy evasion, most probably because China knows its case for ownership is weak by the Convention's yardsticks. China is making brazen assertions that rewrite history and take no account of geography. Today's naval arguments won't come to an end until the region's largest disputant stops rewriting the past. Mr. Bowring is a Hong Kong-based journalist. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...=googlenews_wsj |
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| Santi Kampilan | Jun 5 2012, 01:20 AM Post #1896 |
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I call the 9 dash line as "pure unadulterated concocted scam".
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| matrix | Jun 5 2012, 01:57 PM Post #1897 |
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DFA: 2 Chinese ships leave Panatag's lagoon Updated June 05, 2012 01:19 PM MANILA, Philippines - The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) announced Tuesday that China's two maritime vessels have sailed away from the lagoon of the disputed Panatag Shoal in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea). The DFA said that the departure of two Chinese maritime vessels from the lagoon of the disputed shoal is part of its consultations with China. It said that the Philippines' vessel, which belongs to the Bureau of Fisheries and Aquatic Resources (BFAR), has also left the shoal's lagoon, which is a rich fishing spot of Filipino fishermen. "Following our consultations, the two Chinese maritime vessels and our BFAR vessel are no longer in the lagoon," the DFA said in a statement. The DFA added that its consultations "to address the remaining issues in Bajo de Masinloc" continue. Panatag Shoal is also known in the Philippines as Bajo de Masinloc, which is part of Masinloc town in Zambales province. The shoal is called by China as Huangyan Island. The Philippines deployed the BFAR ship to make sure that Chinese fishermen who will venture into the shoal's lagoon will not engage in illegal fishing. The two Chinese maritime vessels have been in the shoal since the start of the standoff in April 10. The two Chinese ships barred the Philippine Navy from arresting Chinese fishermen who had poached endangered maritime species from the area. The Philippines has been calling for a rules-based multilateral approach to the territorial row, but China said this would only complicate the issue. China has rejected an invitation by the Philippines to bring the standoff before an international body. http://www.philstar.com/nation/article.asp...rticleid=814264 |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | Jun 5 2012, 02:28 PM Post #1898 |
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^^ wow thats a good news kaso i do think the move that china made is to deescalate the situation after the US announce that it will shift its naval ships into asia.in short parang pinalamig lang nila para hinde tayo magsumbong nang magsumbong.dahil dito natatakot na ata sila na mapalibutan or palibot na sila from korea to japan to philippines to vietnam( kung sumali pa ang malayasia at brunei).if they really want to resolve this problem they shouldn't be greedy kung gusto nila nang langis and fish from this area they should buy it from us win win situation wala pang gulo i propaganda nalang nila sa kanila kanware ang panatag.so both parties would have a good relation we import alot of things from china from underwear hangang sa kagamitan sa bahay.tama lang naman siguro na bigyan nila tayo nang chance na lumake dahil sila sobrang lake na nang economy nila(maski its slowing down this days).in some news article maraming humanga sa tapang nang Philippines dahil sabe nga nila wala tayo pang match up sa mnga kagamitan pangdigma nila kaso nakipag face off parin tayo maski maliit ang barko natin(faceoff dahil meron tayoing big bro). |
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| truegrit | Jun 5 2012, 02:28 PM Post #1899 |
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Good thing that those 2 pesky vessels left but we still have to upgrade our Military Defense capability in the Navy and Air Force. We are still far behind, let us not to easy on our selves and continue the buying Big Naval and better armed Ships as well as Fighter jets. |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | Jun 5 2012, 02:36 PM Post #1900 |
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true matrix we still need it kaso ewn nalang natin sa mnga nakaupo buhaya sa congreso at senate.wag sana nilang sabhin na tapos na ang standoff so ok na lahat.ito un tipong binigyan tayo nang konti oras para makabile nang anong gamit.i would be surprise kung magkastand off ult,but hopefully kung ganon ang mangyari nandyan na un 1000 ton(if im not mistake) na coast guard ship na galing nang japan so patas na ang labanan sa palakihan nang barko and tamang timing ren to dahil papasok na ang tagulan kawawa naman ang coast guard natin kala mo na duyan sila dahil ang liit nang barko nila.they should focus on there economy dahil sabe nga nang bestfriend ko na bumisita sa china (damn everything that was cheap last 4 years e nagtripe na un price ganon daw kataas ang inflation nila ngyn) thanks to our brave PCG personnel who went there even there supplies always runs short(tubig at food dw laging kulang sabe sa news).for me as a pinoy i am proud that u guys got a big cahonas. |
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