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| Tsukiyomi | May 13 2012, 10:15 PM Post #1821 |
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Also, if any of the newer ships joined in, you can bet a attack sub will not be far behind. |
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| fernandez705 | May 14 2012, 12:48 AM Post #1822 |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWJPoDj7onU&feature=related |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | May 14 2012, 03:20 AM Post #1823 |
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China imposes fishing ban in South China Sea MANILA, Philippines - China is set to enforce a fishing ban in large swaths of the South China Sea for two-and-a-half months starting this Wednesday, the official Xinhua News Agency reported yesterday. A Chinese fisheries official said the ban would cover Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal. The move is a reiteration of the summer fishing ban declared by China every year since 1999 in the waters that it claims as part of its territory. The enforcement of the ban from May 16 to Aug. 1 was announced by the head of the South China Sea fisheries administration bureau, who told Xinhua that the ban covered Huangyan – the Chinese name for Scarborough. The ban is meant ostensibly to protect marine ecosystems and resources. The ban would cover Chinese and foreign fishermen alike, including those from countries that are laying claim to parts of the Spratlys and other islands and reefs dotting the South China Sea. The start of the fishing ban was announced amid escalating tension between Manila and Beijing over Panatag, which the Philippines says has been part of Masinloc town in Zambales since Spanish times. Last January when China announced that the ban would be imposed, Vietnam, which claims part of the Spratlys and Paracel Islands, protested. Vietnamese fishermen have defied similar bans in the past three years. Scores were arrested and their boats impounded by Chinese authorities. A Xinhua report said the ban “means no fishing will be allowed except for mono-layer gillnets, and hook and line fishing.” China will confiscate boats, fish catch and fishing gear of violators. Chinese fishermen will face fines and their licenses will be suspended. Source wow this is a slap to our faces they imposing a ban in panatag even we are still in a stand off what will our government will do.owww crap i forgot wala pala silang gagawin |
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| icefrog | May 14 2012, 05:06 AM Post #1824 |
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^That must be the "face saving" measure to get out of Panatag shoal and end the stand-off. |
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| spearhead | May 14 2012, 05:40 AM Post #1825 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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And who are they to confiscate our ships/boats within our EEZ? |
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| icefrog | May 14 2012, 06:08 AM Post #1826 |
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I honestly think this is what China and DFA has probably devised to enable both parties to leave the shoal at the same time. It's only from May 16-Aug. 1 |
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| AVBsupersonic | May 14 2012, 07:03 AM Post #1827 |
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China imposes fishing ban in South China Sea :funnypost:^^ Who are they to impose a ban on our territory?!!! Sec.Del Rosario made it clear that "We won't leave if we are told to leave, we'll only leave if/when we want to leave the area." If the PH Govt. agrees or abides to this bull, it will be like recognizing that Panatag Shoal is part of their territory and they are just trying to make us Filipinos "IDI_TS!" Clearly they are trying to make as look like FOOLs. Other side of the picture they want us to respect their declaration of a fishing ban in WPS when they didn't respect our Sovereignty and laws of the sea..?? Pathetic! Why do I feel like they just want to REWIND the Standoff for them to play the good guy this time...? Maybe to show our PN on how they (PLA) would do their job in arresting poachers/ intruders...:armyroleyes: |
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| matrix | May 14 2012, 07:48 AM Post #1828 |
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Why Philippines Stands Up to China May 14, 2012 By James R. Holmes ![]() The Philippines is hopelessly mismatched against China in pure military terms. But there are historical reasons why it won't back down in the South China Sea. Last month, I wrote a column for Global Times in which I observed that a dominant Chinese Navy lets China’s leadership deploy unarmed surveillance and law-enforcement vessels as it implements policy in the ongoing stand off at Scarborough Shoal. It can flourish a small, unprovocative seeming stick while holding the big stick – overwhelming naval firepower, and thus the option of escalating – in reserve. That, I wrote, translates into “virtual coercion and deterrence” vis-à-vis lesser Asian powers. If weak states defy Beijing, they know what may come next. Global Times readers evidently interpreted this as my prophesying that Southeast Asian states will despair at the hopeless military mismatch in the South China Sea – and give in automatically and quickly during controversies like Scarborough Shoal. Not so. Diplomacy and war are interactive enterprises. Both sides – not just the strong – get a vote. Manila refuses to vote Beijing’s way. Military supremacy is no guarantee of victory in wartime, let alone in peacetime controversies. The strong boast advantages that bias the competition in their favor. But the weak still have options. Manila can hope to offset Beijing’s advantages, and it has every reason to try. Sounds familiar, doesn’t it? China has been the weaker belligerent in every armed clash since the 19th century Opium Wars. It nevertheless came out on top in the most important struggles. That the weak can vanquish the strong is an idea with a long pedigree. Roman dictator Quintus Fabius fought Hannibal – one of history’s foremost masters of war – to a standstill precisely by refusing to fight a decisive battle. Demurring let Fabius – celebrated as “the Delayer” – marshal inexhaustible resources and manpower against Carthaginian invaders waging war on Rome’s turf. Fabius bided his time until an opportune moment. Then he struck. Similarly, sea power theorist Sir Julian Corbett advised naval commanders to wage “active defense” in unfavorable circumstances. Commanders of an outmatched fleet could play a Fabian waiting game, lurking near the stronger enemy fleet yet declining battle. In the meantime they could bring in reinforcements, seek alliances with friendly naval powers, or deploy various stratagems to wear down the enemy’s strength. Ultimately they might reverse the naval balance, letting them risk a sea fight – and win. Victory through delay represents time-honored Chinese practice. Mao Zedong built his concept of protracted war on stalling tactics, and, like Corbett, he dubbed his strategic vision “active defense.” For both theorists, active defense was about prolonging wars to outlast temporarily superior opponents. Mao pointed out that China boasted innate advantages over the Japanese Army that occupied Manchuria and much of China during the 1930s. It merely needed time to convert latent power – abundant natural resources and manpower in particular – into usable military power. Mao’s Red Army later overcame stronger Nationalist forces by winning over popular support, and with it the opportunity to tap resources, establish base areas in the countryside, and the like. Good things came to those who waited. So there’s some precedent for Philippine leaders to hope for diplomatic success at Scarborough Shoal. The Philippine military is a trivial force with little chance of winning a steel-on-steel fight. But like lesser powers of the past, Manila can appeal to law, to justice, and to powerful outsiders capable of tilting the balance its way. Sure enough, Philippine officials have advocated submitting the dispute to the Law of the Sea Tribunal and invoked a longstanding U.S.-Philippine mutual defense pact. Despite all of this, the deck remains heavily stacked against Manila. Why persevere in defying China, with its overwhelming physical might? Thucydides would salute the Filipinos’ pluck. The Greek historian chronicled the Peloponnesian War, the protracted 5th century BC struggle between Athens and Sparta. One of Thucydides’ best-known precepts is that “fear, honor, and interest” represent “three of the strongest motives” driving societies’ actions. In one infamous episode, Athenian emissaries inform the leaders of Melos, a small island state, that “the strong do as they will and the weak suffer what they must” when their interests collide. They demand submission. The Melians balk, but have no hope of help from Sparta or any other rescuer. When they remain defiant anyway, the Athenians put the men to the sword while enslaving the women and children. Fear, honor, and interest animate small states like Melos and the Philippines as much as they do superpowers like Athens and China. Maritime claims are a matter of self-interest for Filipinos. They are also a matter of honor. Beijing can't expect Manila to simply tally up the balance of forces, acknowledge it faces a hopeless mismatch, and buckle. Philippine leaders can solicit foreign support, and they know Beijing has no Melian option. Why admit defeat prematurely, any more than Fabius or Mao did? James Holmes is an associate professor of strategy at the US Naval War College. The views voiced here are his alone. http://the-diplomat.com/2012/05/14/why-phi...ds-up-to-china/ |
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| Ayoshi | May 14 2012, 01:41 PM Post #1829 |
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China bans fishing in Scarborough Shoal, other parts of South China Sea starting May 16 MANILA -- In the midst of its standoff with the Philippines over Scarborough Shoal, China has banned fishing in large swaths of the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea, including these rock formations, for two and a half months from May 16 to August 1 this year. A Chinese fisheries official made the announcement in an interview in Guangzhou province, and Chinese embassy spokesman Hua Zhang confirmed the statement. Asked if this means that the Chinese fishing boats in Scarborough Shoal will return to China, Hua told InterAksyon.com that he is still awaiting a report from the Chinese Ministry of Agriculture. He said some type of fishing is still allowed during the ban but he does not know if the Chinese boats there are covered by the exemptions. The ban “means no fishing will be allowed except for mono-layer gillnets, and hook and line fishing.” Zhang said that for many years, China has declared a summer fishing ban, which covers both Chinese and non-Chinese fishermen, in waters it claims part of its territory to protect maine ecosystems and resources. "This is to allow the fish and other marine life to recover," he said in a phone interview. According to Chinese newspaper reports, Vietnamese fishermen have defied similar bans in the past, causing their arrest and the impounding of their boats by Chinese authorities. China will confiscate violators' boats, fish catch, and fishing gear. Chinese fishermen will face fines and their licenses will be suspended. www.interaksyon.com |
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| dewey | May 14 2012, 02:17 PM Post #1830 |
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i smell something fishy. the area should be monitored closely in those period mentioned |
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