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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (155,950 Views)
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Manuel Buencamino: The truth behind China's nine-dash map

27-Apr-12, 4:01 PM | Manuel Buencamino

Even Jose Maria Sison, founder of the Maoist Communist Party of the Philippines, calls Communist China's claim to Panatag Shoal a historical absurdity: “Chinese historical claims since ancient times amount to an absurdity as this would be like Italy claiming as its sovereign possession all areas previously occupied by the Roman Empire."

The Department of Foreign Affairs and Chairman Joma Sison are of one mind on the issue. In response to a self-serving position paper where the Red Chinese Embassy claimed "Huangyan Island (China's name for Panatag Shoal) has been the traditional fishing area of Chinese fishermen for generations," and "It is China that first discovered this island, gave it the name, incorporated it into its territory, and exercised jurisdiction over it,” the DFA said: "Historical claims must be substantiated by a clear historic title. Fishing rights are not a mode of acquiring sovereignty. Neither could it be construed that the act of fishing by Chinese fishermen is a sovereign act of a State, nor can be considered as a display of State authority."

Chairman Sison adds that if Red China can cite historical records then the Philippines can cite pre-historic records: "Archaeological evidence shows that the islands, reefs and shoals at issue have been used by inhabitants of what is now the Philippines since pre-historic times.” So there.

But Red China stands by a map with a nine-dash line that it presented to the United Nations (UN) on May 7, 2007, the day after Vietnam and Malaysia asserted sovereignty over their respective continental shelves. The nine-dash line is a u-shaped squiggle between the Southeast Asian landmass and the Philippine archipelago. Red China claims it owns everything inside that wavy doodle. The issue then is the provenance of the map and the u-shaped nine-dash line.

I asked a forensic expert to look into it as my own little pro bono contribution towards easing tensions between the Philippines and Red China. The forensic report is hereby submitted for your perusal and evaluation: “Sir: Upon a careful examination of the aforesaid ancient map, I have reached the following conclusions: First, the map is authentic. However, there is evidence that it was tampered. If, as the Chinese Embassy claims, the map was drawn by the famous Chinese cartographer Hao Shao centuries ago, then the lower left corner area of the map would have the chop of Fu Manchu and not the smiling face of Mao who only became China's emperor in 1949;

Second, I was suspicious of the u-shaped nine-dash line because it did not look as old as the map itself. I applied chemicals to the line, to see if there was anything hidden beneath it. The test proved negative. However, the line moved after it came into contact with the chemicals. Suspecting that it was not actually a part of the map, I put a tweezer to it and I was able to lift the entire u-shaped object without any difficulty. Hence the wavy object is not an integral part of the map;

Third, laid flat and straight the u-shaped object measures about 10 inches. I snipped off a quarter inch from it and put that under an electron microscope. What I saw surprised me so I conducted additional tests on the object. The tests confirmed what I observed using the electron microscope. The object is a dried noodle string. Subsequent DNA and carbon testing suggests that the said noodle may have slipped from Mao's chopsticks sometime in 1949; Fourth, Mao was a sloppy noodle slurper."

I presented the forensic report to Comrade Shu Li, the Embassy apparatchik who wrote the self-serving position paper on Panatag. Caught off-guard, he begged for time to consult with his ambassador, Her Excellency Madame Suzie Wong, before giving me a response.

He called back two days later. Below are excerpts from the transcript of my phone conversation with Comrade Shu Li: Shu Li:

"China not interested in exploration and exploitation of oil on Huangyan Island. China only catching shark for shark fin soup and dumpling, you see? Communist China respect international law but hungry stomach know no law like your presiden Erap always say, okidoki?"

MB: "Is that it?"

Shu Li: "Ha? Ok, I understand. So sorry, so sorry. Ok, Chinese Embassy invite you to noodle soup."

MB: "No thanks." Shu Li: "Ha? No eat shark fin? Ok, we eat Yang Chow fried rice, very delicious also, okidoki?"


link: http://www.interaksyon.com/article/30466/m...s-nine-dash-map
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Dafuq? Noodle soup?

All right, I'm convinced that the Chinese has gone bonkers now.
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PCG Vessels BRP Edsa and BRP Pampanga were bullied by the larger FLEC pattrol ship Yuzheng 310 of China today at Panatag shoal by dangerously passing closely at high spped which created a 2 meter wave, no one was injured from both PCG ships ... :armysad:

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/30534/c...d-vessels---dfa


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For me, the best solution for the Philippines to solve the Scarborough Issue is to apply the logic of hitting "two birds with one stone!"

Bird 1.) Is the idea to bring back the US Naval Base in on a Temporary basis or a minimum term lease, docking those highly sophisticated modern littoral Combat ships and others would mean the US will have to protect and scan the areas in Scarborough the way they've done it before by air and sea.
Secondly, In the same idea ask the US to set up a Temporary US Air Base in Palawan w/ a macthing improvement of Hulugan Bay Philippine Naval station in Palawan for PN/ US use as well.

The Philippine Govt, Senate and Congress should agree to modify the 1987 Constitution of not allowing Foreign Military Bases in the Country in order for our Country's sake, to save and protect our Country's territories and Sovereignty as a whole, to compensate each other to prevent us getting into War with China, let's face it, even if we do acquire modern Military equipments now for our AFP, still we don't have enough time considering we currently have a standoff with China, for sure the Chinese won't let us or wait for us to build our Military, be up and able to go against them.
Right now is the best time to take advantage of this opportunity to help each other that can benifit both parties, the US are currently trying to relocate their Bases out of Japan going to Australia, Guam?,Singapore? and others, an FOB or (Forward operating base) would be a cheaper and great idea for them to propose to set up in the Philippines and to us as well in a way, not like a permanent base.
The possible strategic areas mentioned in the Philippines if we think about it will basically cover the whole WPS or shall I say the whole Country that can or will relieve us from our headache on China's aggressiveness.

Bird 2.) Now the second best part, in return for the stay, temporary lease agreement of FOB's, the US is oblige to help and modernize the AFP, supply us with all the necessary equipments, support packages etc. that we need. as their payment equivalent to whatever the agreed leasing payment amount on the contract. Any excess from expenditures from the amount would be paid by separate. (much better if we can ask them for credit facility for some, like the way on how we are providing the funds for the MRV with SK) para sure ball!

The Philippine Govt. AFP/DND should present all the Necessary Military hardware equipments and support packages that we need, separating the ones that will come from EDA's and the ones to be purchased as brand new from the US. So meaning we are not asking them for free, but we'll be paying customers as well.
As a US ally with MDT, we should be or we have to be a strong ally to them as well, to be fair with them in case they will need our help like we need them right now. We are very lucky to be included with only some of the few power Countries like UK, Canada, Japan, South Korea, Australia and others which are mostly strong Militarily and can are able to reciprocate their MDT's with the US, unlike the Philippines, so it's about time for us to be considered and to counter the balance of power in SE Asia.

If everything is successful and agreed upon by both Philippines and US regarding Temporary Bases, the Philippine Govt. at the same time should take advantage and give it's top priority to concentrate full blast on all Oil/ Gas exploration projects particularly in WPS areas in order to boost the Economy and for more funding to Modernize our AFP into a Formidable force.

This is the Philippines best solution that I see to fend off China, having the US in our backyard for the moment means in the same way as having "PEACE" the US, a definitely bigger stick than the other one!
Hope our Govt. can consider these options, devise the best plan for our Country and propose these ideas to Washington on the 30th of this month, "God bless the Philippines and the United States of America!" :patrioticpinoy:

Hope someone from the Govt. can read this now..
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This is out of topic but Azkal alias manilaboy, can you explain to the forumers why you are feeding info to the chinese in one of their forum?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-arme...ns-14-5946.html

AND

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-arme...ns-13-5946.html

This is not meant to accuse you of anything but your posts are really troubling.. Im also calling the admin of this forum to take notice of this.
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boxster
Apr 29 2012, 12:29 AM
This is out of topic but Azkal alias manilaboy, can you explain to the forumers why you are feeding info to the chinese in one of their forum?

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-arme...ns-14-5946.html

AND

http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/world-arme...ns-13-5946.html

This is not meant to accuse you of anything but your posts are really troubling.. Im also calling the admin of this forum to take notice of this.

That's just my style of posting and it's not just on Sinodefense but also on other forums that I'm a member of , there was no malice intent on this forum replies and I will stop posting such information then so that other members will stop harassing me ... :armycool: :btt:


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DFA Halts Talks With China Over Scarborough
By ROY C. MABASA
April 27, 2012, 10:14pm


MANILA, Philippines — The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) Friday declared that there will be no new diplomatic meetings on the Scarborough Shoal standoff that will be scheduled until the Chinese embassy commits to conveying the agreements “factually” to their headquarters in Beijing.

The DFA decided to temporarily stop diplomatic meetings in the wake of China’s accusations that the Philippines has not complied with an earlier agreement on the standoff.

In a press briefing, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said that during the third meeting with the Chinese side, Ambassador Ma Keqing informed the DFA that China is becoming more assertive because the Philippines violated an agreement.

“I said... there was no agreement that’s why we are on a stalemate,” Del Rosario pointed out. “They are harping that we don’t honor an agreement... I felt I should clarify that with the Chinese government, it seems that report was not accurate, not factual.”

He said the inaccuracy of information being relayed to Beijing will somehow trigger different protocol.

The DFA had earlier accused Ambassador Ma of wrongfully conveying a non-existent agreement of a pullout of all vessels in the area...

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Great leaders attempt to resolve conflict but still prepare for unforeseen challenges that may arise when that is not possible.

Hope the PH Govt. right now, should have immediate plans on acquiring some Armaments/ Weapons that we can quickly use for our territorial defense in case we need them while waiting for any major Air and Naval assets to arrive, things like "SAMs,FIM 92 Stinger MANPADs from the US, (15) ASMs BrahMOS from India, Penguin Norwy's, Exocet France anthing that what can use quickly in cases of a threat to our National Security and to defend territories. [/b]

Maybe we can equip some of these anti air and ship missiles to our merchant/ Civilian ships as well to multiply our force in case of National Emergency, let's face it we only have no more than 15 PN assets that can be use and all of them are just Gun Boats...

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AVBsupersonic
Apr 30 2012, 07:20 PM
Great leaders attempt to resolve conflict but still prepare for unforeseen challenges that may arise when that is not possible.

Hope the PH Govt. right now, should have immediate plans on acquiring some Armaments/ Weapons that we can quickly use for our territorial defense in case we need them while waiting for any major Air and Naval assets to arrive, things like "SAMs,FIM 92 Stinger MANPADs from the US, (15) ASMs BrahMOS from India, Penguin Norwy's, Exocet France anthing that what can use quickly in cases of a threat to our National Security and to defend territories. [/b]

Maybe we can equip some of these anti air and ship missiles to our merchant/ Civilian ships as well to multiply our force in case of National Emergency, let's face it we only have no more than 15 PN assets that can be use and all of them are just Gun Boats...

“Wise leader do not seek out war but they prepare for it.”

You should refrain from saying the total number of PN assets available for use or some members here and from other forums might get paranoid again just like what happened to me due to the current situation, just a friendly advice ... :armycool: :btt:


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