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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (155,952 Views)
truegrit


if ever the USN 7th decided to place all their on standy to protect our EEZ then sana our Government & DND would still have that FIRE to acquire more modern Naval combat ships and fighter jets...

Minsan pag medyo feel secure tayo sa US blanket nagiging PABAYA naman ang Government Officials and not to pursue modernization of our External Defense as to that point wherein I heard a top PAF Officer saying on TV that we don't need fighter jets coz we are a FRIENDLY Nation to all... :armyfrown:

After 3 years when that TV Documentary on PAF was aired China is now harassing our PN and PCG in Scarborough coz they know that we are totally defenseless against them. PURO AIR WALANG FORCE.... PURO WATER WALANG NAVAL FORCE...

Very disgusting talaga...
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zwahzhal
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Last yr, China told Sec Del Rosario that the dispute should not be placed in internation tribunal but be settled the friendly way... this week, Chi's said some ships left the Shoal but they're still there just relocated...now they said fully claim that ITLOS and UNCLOS will be against internation law if they're "inherited historical land" (noting that it they never submitted any documents record in international laws on sea ownership) then they want it still claimed!

I AM CALLING THE CHINESE GOVT to GET OUT FROM PHILIPPINE TERRITORY. YOU ARE MISCLAIMING, YOU ARE MISLEADING AND YOU ARE GRABBING OUR PROPERTY W/O SUPPORT OF ANY "LEGAL" DOCUMENTS...the way you do PIRACY and IMMITATIONS of products here in the Philipppines, which is also illegal. YOU HAVE NO RIGHTS TO CLAIM ANY HISTORICAL MATTERS AS THEY ARE NOT DOCUMENTED. THE PHILIPPINES SHOALS ARE LEGALLY BINDED, DOCUMENTED AND CERTIFIED BY INTERNATIONAL LAWS.

Dear PH ranks and calling our govt to act a more decisive and stiffer sanctions against the Chinese govt. Let's stand tall...let's stand firm on our land, seas on our GROUNDS! This is PROTECTING our SOVEREIGNTY
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dewey
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very nice analogy Z.

IMHO, china do whatever they want, legal man o hinde :brrt:
IDI@T!!! COWARD!!!
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Muddy Waters
By PATRICK M. CRONIN
Published: April 24, 2012
Washington


THIS month’s maritime standoff between China and the Philippines in the South China Sea isn’t the first time the region’s navies have gone toe-to-toe. But while past tensions revolved around resources under the ocean floor, this most recent event is part of a growing strategic rivalry pitting Chinese power against the United States and its East Asian allies. How Washington responds may determine the prospects for continued peace in the Pacific.

The latest crisis arose after the pocket-size Philippine Navy, with an old United States Coast Guard cutter as its new flagship, tried to apprehend Chinese fishermen it claimed were operating illegally near the Scarborough Shoal. China then sent two surveillance vessels — part of a recent effort to protect its claims in the East and South China Seas — to block the Philippine ship.

The message was stark: escalate and risk a violent run-in with the Chinese Navy, or stand down and negotiate with Beijing from a position of weakness.

Manila wisely chose the latter, first substituting a civilian vessel for its combat vessel, and then containing the dispute through diplomatic channels. But China was also sending a flare to Washington, to the effect that American efforts to strengthen the military capacity of its regional allies would be checked.

It’s easy to see the standoff as an act of quasi-aggression, but it’s not. Because China is looking for influence rather than spoiling for a fight, it will seek a minimal show of force, as it did in the Scarborough incident by sending surveillance vessels instead of warships. Drawing attention to its rapid military modernization or its intensifying nationalist sentiment, after all, could undermine China’s core interests.

The key take-away from the recent showdown is that the United States needs to remain coolheaded. Not only are such skirmishes at sea inevitable, but they are also of minor consequence — assuming they are managed shrewdly.

Given our allies’ overlapping interests in the South China Sea, we are bound to feel pressure to act aggressively against what appears to be Chinese expansionism. But as wiser heads in the United States have understood for decades, China is not truly expansionist. Its mercantilist international policies have material rather than imperial ambitions. China is testing the limits, not necessarily trying to pick a fight.

And we would do well to remember that for all their differences, China and the United States are not the cold war ideological adversaries of old. They both benefit enormously from an open global maritime commons. Globalization is possible only because of the unfettered sea lanes over which the vast majority of goods and resources move around the world. And the South China Sea, which joins the Indian and Pacific Oceans, is the narrow throat of our globalized economy.

That said, we shouldn’t ignore the underlying risk in such incidents, either. At least in the South China Sea, China’s military might will continue to bump up against the American Navy’s role as guarantor of freedom of the seas.

Nor will the two powers always see eye to eye. The United States has a treaty commitment to help defend the Philippines, but it has always been careful to maintain neutrality over sovereignty disputes. American diplomatic exertions have thus gone into supporting multilateral approaches that would make it more difficult for one power — China — to coerce its neighbors.

China, on the other hand, prefers to deal with the players in the region one by one, starting with a country like the Philippines, which it knows lacks the military capacity to defend its disparate islands.

While the current standoff may be under control, more are likely to occur, especially as our allies turn to us for protection — something we may see at next week’s meeting between the United States and the Philippines in Washington. And it hasn’t helped that soon after the dispute began, the United States and the Philippines started a long-planned military exercise nearby involving thousands of soldiers, sailors and Marines.

At the same time, separate disputes are guaranteed to continue among the countries around the South China Sea — including Malaysia, Vietnam and Japan as well as China and the Philippines — as long as oil and natural gas continue to be discovered under its waters.

Should a fight erupt, China is increasingly ready to rumble. Years of double-digit growth in its defense budgets are providing a historic land power with a blue-water naval capability and missile and air forces that put the American military presence in East Asia at risk.

This new reality, in short, recommends a specific course of action, one we are at risk of losing sight of: namely, to understand that China is testing the waters and sending signals but nothing more — but also to respond with precise, measured steps to ensure it doesn’t push the limits too far.

The maritime drama near Scarborough Shoal is just another salvo in a growing strategic rivalry that can be managed but not resolved. A resolute but prudent American position that seeks region-wide cooperation on common rules, but backed by American strength, remains the best means of keeping the waters tranquil.

Patrick M. Cronin is the director of the Asia program at the Center for a New American Security and the editor and a co-author of “Cooperation From Strength: The United States, China and the South China Sea.”

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That article is a good starter. I would even add a couple of things in bringing the Americans.
1) Reverse Peace Carvin - by having our airforce personnel be trained in Clark thus justifying their presence. Even just a squadron of trainers with another squadron of F-16s always on a standby. Other countries may participate just as the Singaporeans did before.

2) Wallace Station - Update or upgrade the entire facility. Accommodate and bring in sophisticated UAV's. Build a better facility to monitor the entire WPS. Can we partner up with the US? I would insist to train our personnel of higher tech more than just the coast watch system. What about missile shield testing ground or rocket testing facility?

3)Ulugan Bay is a key and strategic location to keep an eye on the Spratly's. I would involve not just the Americans but maybe other countries such as Japan and Australia. For naval repairs, an air base, a submarine base and possibly a marine base (dislocated marines from Okinawa?)

These with be a great starter and a tremendous deterrence against the Chinese rising naval power. I am sure they will be pissed but these communist are the sneakiest, double crossers and we have to be ready.

Bringing in the Americans and our allies will lessen the strain on us to keep up with the Chicoms advances. Otherwise, we maybe the first target of invasion to free themselves of the Americans' choke hold.
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Santi, Wallace is already a tourist spot.
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Apr 25 2012, 01:01 AM
Chiz: Yes to joint Scarborough exploration with China, no to confrontation

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LIPA CITY, Batangas -– Senator Francis “Chiz” Escudero advanced his proposal for the country’s joint exploration with China, rather than taking a confrontational stand on the Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal issue.

In a news conference with the Calabarzon media at the Hotel La Corona de Lipa here Monday, Escudero explained that although the Senate has its Foreign Affairs Committee chaired by Senator Loren Legarda, “foreign policy is within the sole power of the Chief Executive.”

The Senate’s role other than ratifying a treaty is to declare war which, Escudero said, is far-fetched and impossible. He elaborated that any armed confrontation, conflict or bullying has traditional approaches for a peaceful resolution.

“Ang pinag-uusapan natin ay sand bar. Ito ay lupain na ring maituturing, at baka wala sa jurisdiction ng (The subject is a sand bar...and may not be under the jurisdicion of the) United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (Unclos),” the lawmaker stated.

http://www.interaksyon.com

Now we all know whom NOT to vote and support in the next elections!

Naka orbit na rin ito sa China same with the rest... :thumbsdown:
I AM NOT PINOY, "I AM A FILIPINO" There is a BiG difference!
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If the Philippines lets China gets what it wants in Scarborough Shoal, its going to be like "Get Scarborough shoal and everything in WPS is FREE!"

Bajo de Masinloc is the KEY to fully claim their 9 dash line!
Let us not give it away at any cost, not even for a joint exploration in WPS with China, NEVER trust a thief!


Mischief Reef----------------------Reed Bank--------------------------Scarborough Shoal.

OIL---------------&. ---------- --GAS. ----------------DEPOSITS.

W-----------------------------------P----------------------------------------S

Area.


"Historical 9 dash line BU%% SH%T of China!" aye???? :gotya:
I AM NOT PINOY, "I AM A FILIPINO" There is a BiG difference!
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China will not invade the philippines.

Wallace station can still be converted back to its former use.

If Scarborough Shoal was indeed sold to China as was claimed by some person, then it has to be brought back to the philippines because it sits right inside the philippines EEZ, on person in leadership with the right mind would ever sold it. Philippines could claim that former president Macapagal had sold it illegally without the knowledge of the public.
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I think that the China's bullying is something called "flex of power"; you have the power, you could use it any way you can.

What I have to say, is that, we, the Filipino people, also have the ability to have this "flex of power"; it is only up to the people THEMSELVES
to use it to their greatest effect.

A bad example might be the recent Cyberwar between China and Phils. But still, the example's lesson still stands. We have the advantage against the Chinese in some fields. It is only up to us to use it effectively.

However, as a friendly psychologist, I hope that China could show restraint as we (the Filipino government) do. If not, if this "crisis" would lead to a one-sided battle between China, Philippines, the USA and other countries, well, the hell with the Chinese.

Just trying to be helpful. :salute:
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