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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (155,955 Views)
AZKALS
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http://www.chinapost.com.tw/asia/philippin...0/New-China.htm

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/arti...45&parent_id=25


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greenapple
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Basta, hindi dapat mawalan ng presence ang Pilipinas sa katubigan na yan, basta within our EEZ. PN vessels man yan o PCG, we need to represent and assert our jurisdiction. Maski pa papuntahin ng China ang lahat ng PLAN warship nya o di kaya pati ng mga Maritime surveillance (kuno) ships nya sa parteng yan ng katubigan natin, nasa sa kanila na yun, Isasama lang naman lahat yan sa listahan ng mga nagtresspass sa atin. Let them come then let them know what's in it for them, ika nga. :armyfrown:
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Then this, if hopefully true, will prove that they are just using their military muscle to dissuade us and have them keep all of WPS and/or any other territory for that matter they wish for themselves. A typical bully I say. Well, then its up to us to say enough is enough. Ika nga, "Walang maliit na di nakapupuwing", "Langgam ka man sa liit kung ituring, kakagatin ka higante ka man na karima-rimarim!!" :brrt:
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Paper says China should be ready for small-scale war with Phl

BEIJING – The mouthpiece of the Communist Party of China hinted that the ongoing naval standoff between the Philippines and China over Scarborough Shoal (Panatag Island) could drag on and that China should be ready for a small-scale war at sea with the Philippines.

China claimed that the shoal, known to them as Huanyan Island, is part of its national territory.

“What can we predict from the naval standoff between China and the Philippines near Huangyan Island in the South China Sea? The answer depends on the next action China is going to take,” the English language People’s Daily commentary said.

It added that the situation is further complicated by the forces led by the United States, which it said “seek to agitate hostility against China through the latest friction.”

“The dynamics surrounding the Huangyan Island crisis are complicated. The Philippines claims sovereignty over the shoal, whereas the US-led Western forces seek to agitate hostility… Countries like Vietnam and Japan, which have maritime territorial disputes with China, are also watching closely, trying to explore collective actions against this rising power,” it said.

The commentary also said that China does not see the dispute over the shoal as a simple contest of national strength between China and the Philippines.

“Otherwise, it would have been much easier to end the ongoing crisis. What China needs to do is much more than just safeguard Huangyan Island. It also needs to deal with external forces that may use the tension to disrupt China’s rise. At the moment, neither China nor the Philippines wants to appeal to arms,” it said.

“China knows that a swift fight with the Philippines will not help solve the dispute, whereas the Philippines could foresee a complete defeat if engaging in a war with China. Facing this complex dispute, China first needs cool-headedness. A hasty decision may cause more troubles. Addressing the South China Sea issue is set to be a long and arduous process. This is already a geopolitical reality that China faces,” it added.

“China should try to seize more initiative in this process, rather than being led by other regional players. China should be prepared to engage in a small-scale war at sea with the Philippines. Once the war erupts, China must take resolute action and deliver a clear message to the outside world that it does not want a war, but definitely has no fear of it,” it added.

The commentary also said that Manila’s arrogance over the issue is now the “most evident challenge” China faces in the South China Sea. It stressed, however, that a war with the Philippines will not put the South China Sea issue to rest.

“China needs to come up with all kinds of economic and political counter measures, so as to make sure that Manila suffers much more than it gains and the role it plays is not at all appealing to other Asian countries,” it said.

“China is already at the geo-economic center of Asia, but still appears passive geopolitically. It is impractical to make the two systems totally overlap at the moment, but China should prevent them from being poles apart. Cold treatment to Manila should last for a certain period. China needs to undertake losses from ensuing sanctions on Manila. Protecting islands in the South China Sea is not an empty slogan. It calls for our patience, costs and perseverance,” it added.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63
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Tayo pa raw ang arrogante. What a major BS.

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Tayo pa raw ang arrogante. What a major BS.

bakit tayo naging Arrogant? Sila na nga ang umaagaw ng territoryo natin at resources tapos pa ang pinalalabas ang matigas ang ulo?
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This is indeed the obvious fact thats why china is using their military to scare philippines because they got nothing to prove to back up their claims in WPS and Panatag Shoal.
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ang layo layo ng Hainan sa Panatag Shoal anop ba kayo mga intsik? Manila is just playing its cards right at the moment. Prepared for war but doesn't want war and doesn't fear it? Fk logic.
If you don't want a modern and capable AFP, you might want to get the f*ck off the Philippines because you don't deserve to be a Filipino that's why!
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Brabrasuhin nila tayo, not just by threat of war, but through economic pressures such as sanctions imposed on us. Sa ibang angle nila tayo yayariin, alam nila na pag militarily nila tayo kinumpronta, me US tayong kakampi, unlike pag sa economic battle, I think they could afford their own losses. :armyfrown:
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China policy battles boost South China Sea strains
By Michael Martina and Manuel Mogato
Mon Apr 23, 2012 1:43am EDT


BEIJING/MANILA, April 23 (Reuters) - Jockeying by Chinese agencies over policy fiefdoms and budgets threatens to intensify tensions in the disputed South China Sea, a respected think tank warned on Monday, with the Philippines seeking more patrols to guard against China's claims.

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On Sunday, the commander of security forces on the western Philippines island of Palawan said he had asked for more ships and planes to be deployed to step up patrols in his area, fearing China may build on uninhabited features there.

"In the age of prefab materials, they can do it in just one day," Lieutenant General Juancho Sabban told reporters after annual U.S.-Philippines war games on the island.


Sabban's area of command includes the Spratly islands, one of the main disputed areas in the South China Sea.

"That's our concern in the West Philippine Sea, that's why we conduct regular patrols. We have more patrols now than before and we are asking for more air assets so we can patrol the area," he said.

Sabban said there is growing concern over China's increased presence in the South China Sea, including plans to place markers in contested waters that are seen as an attempt to bolster its territorial claims.

In a report released on Monday, the International Crisis Group (ICG) said weak coordination among the various Chinese government bodies responsible for South China Sea policy has also complicated China's attempt at a peaceful rise.

"The escalating tensions since 2009 have dealt a severe blow to Beijing's relationships with its Southeast Asian neighbours and gravely tarnished its image both regionally and internationally," the ICG report said.

"While some efforts have been made to patch up diplomatic ties since mid-2011, the longer-term situation in the South China Sea will remain volatile in light of China's internal coordination problems," it said.



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The ICG report said at least 11 ministry-level government agencies, and five law enforcement agencies under them, play a part in China's South China Sea management. China's navy, it said, uses territorial disputes to validate modernisation.

"While some agencies act aggressively to compete with one another for greater portions of the budget pie, others attempt to expand their economic activities in disputed areas due to their single-minded focus on economic growth," the report said.

"The biggest problem in coordinating the actors - apart from their number - is that most of these agencies were originally established to implement domestic policies but now play a foreign policy role," it said.

Adding to the confusion, provincial governments in coastal regions that border the South China Sea have increased tensions with their profit-driven behaviour, such as promoting tourism in the disputed waters, the report said.


China has pushed forward on tourism plans in the South China Sea, completing a trial voyage by a cruise ship earlier this month to the Paracel Islands, called the Xisha islands in Chinese but also claimed by Vietnam.

China's military, in a commentary in the official Liberation Army Daily on Saturday, warned the United States that U.S.-Philippine military exercises have raised the risk of armed confrontation in the South China Sea.

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Two areas in the South China Sea are among 15 oil and gas exploration blocks to be opened by the Philippines for bids later this week.

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