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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| spearhead | Apr 17 2012, 10:47 AM Post #1621 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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Not yet. If you want to start a war man, you guys go ahead and fire some shots there. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Apr 17 2012, 02:15 PM Post #1622 |
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Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est
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Do some of the members here realize the costs of war, the lives that will be lost and may include your loved ones? It's easier said than done. Madaling magsabi ng bakit di na lang ganito o di na lang ganun but have you really thought deeply about what might be the consequences of these actions versus of another? Here's the scenario some of us here wanted based on the current standoff: (I based it only on my own perception) > Forcibly arrest the Chinese surveillance ships for intrusion - board their ships (2 of them) arrest all the sailors, confiscate and man the ships (I don't know how will the PN do that or if anyone of them can read Chinese texts) and take all of them to Manila and place behind bars to await trial. - Consequences of these actions = China may file a protest of harassing and illegally arresting their "civilians" = if China send 2 large surveillance ships to prevent arrests to their fisherman, I'm pretty sure they will send their Navy to prevent these arrest (a lot of people believed that their Navy is just beyond the horizon always in contact with the 2 ships) which of course will further escalate the seriousness of the situation > Fire a warning shot at the ships for them to be "scared enough to flee" - use PF-15's Oto Melara gun (because it's funny to use machine guns to these relatively large ships) and fire around the ships as warning shots - Consequences = China will say that it was fired upon. Possibly file a protest that it was "harassed", "seriously threatened by PH government", sends their frigates and destroyers and aircrafts who were possibly just a few kilometers away on standby and retaliate. > Fire directly at the intruders' ships - fire directly at the 2 ships, of course will use again PF-15's Oto Melara to sink all their "civilan ships" and kill all men aboard (I know, I'm exaggerating) - Consequences = UN condemnation of this attack to civilians. May lose all our allies. May be heavily sanctioned by the UN. = China will declare war with Philippines and will be happy to use its firepower and military might on your loved ones and families > Good ole' diplomacy - the diplomats will continue their battles of wits and tactics on the table with their arsenal of political antics - both of the ships from China and PH will leave the Panatag shoal at the same time because the first to leave, loses everything, and will "fight" another day when we're strong enough. (based on my previous post from the interview of the Beijing correspondent) Some of you may not like my point of view in this situation but that's how I see it based on China's hunger for everything and PH's obvious weaknesses... Hindi lang ito nadadaaan sa tapang at tibay ng paninindigan... Dapat din itong pinagiisipang mabuti, tinitimbang-timbang at kung maaari'y lunukin ang iilang mga bagay na nakukumpromiso kung sa tingin nila'y sa mas ikabubuti at ikagaganda ng kasalukuyang sitwasyon... |
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| Ayoshi | Apr 17 2012, 03:01 PM Post #1623 |
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On the other hand... Philippines to raise Scarborough Shoal standoff to international body MANILA – The Philippines will raise the issue of the Scarborough Shoal standoff before the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario said Tuesday as he admitted that China has more ships than the Philippines. “The whole world knows that China has myriad more ships and aircraft than the Philippines. At day’s end, however, we hope to demonstrate that international law would be the great equalizer. In pursuing a peaceful settlement of the Scarborough Shoal issue, we fully intend to humbly invite our Chinese friends to join us in the International Tribunal on the Law of the Sea (ITLOS),” he said in a statement texted to media outfits. “The purpose of the exercise will be to ascertain which of us has sovereign rights over the waters surrounding Scarborough Shoal where Chinese ships are currently engaging in illegal activities within the Philippine Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ),” he added. SOURCE |
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| Ayoshi | Apr 17 2012, 03:04 PM Post #1624 |
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'Don't touch our junk': China claims Philippine ship on treasure hunt for Chinese wreck MANILA, Philippines -- China has demanded that a Philippine-registered yacht leave Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, where a standoff between naval vessels of the two countries has entered its second week. A statement from Hua Zhang, spokesman of the Chinese embassy in Manila, said the M/Y Sarangani has been chartered for an archeological mission to salvage an ancient Chinese wreck in the vicinity of the disputed island in the South China Sea, which Manila calls the West Philippine Sea. SOURCE |
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| Mckoyzzz | Apr 17 2012, 03:13 PM Post #1625 |
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Intervention from ASEAN and the UN also will be a great problem-solver to the standoff... |
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| Ayoshi | Apr 17 2012, 03:31 PM Post #1626 |
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While unexpected silence from the US still a question for most of us. The intervention from the ASEAN will be the best available help that we can receive. |
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| spearhead | Apr 17 2012, 05:59 PM Post #1627 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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China wants PHL archaeological vessel out of Panatag Shoal BY ANDREO CALONZO, GMA NEWS April 17, 2012 12:08pm The Chinese Embassy in Manila on Tuesday called on the Philippines to immediately pull out of Panatag (Scarborough) Shoal an archaeological vessel conducting research in the disputed territory. Chinese Embassy spokesperson Zhang Hua said the vessel, which Philippine officials earlier said came from Sarangani province, is conducting “illegal salvage archaeology” on an ancient Chinese shipwreck in the shoal. “This infringes on China’s rights and violates relevant international conventions. These above activities by the Philippine side raised further grave concerns of the Chinese side on the situation there,” Zhang said in a statement Wednesday. Read more. |
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| spearhead | Apr 17 2012, 06:11 PM Post #1628 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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I know why some people like to give warning shot to those chinese vessels, they are hoping that in case china retaliates and start a war, this would pressure the RP government to accelerate the modernization of their military. Another possible reason is that if philippines start a war by shooting their guns or whatsoever, they are hoping that US & our other allies would also hit china. But no i dont think thats how the philippine government would like it to start a war. The scenario is that its china who has to start a war and not the philippines. And thats a legitimate reason for our allies to immediately help us to retaliate. For now, never leave scarborough shoal, if they can plant something permanent structures there that would be great. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Apr 17 2012, 06:56 PM Post #1629 |
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War nowadays are best fought at the quickest possible time. I don't think the Philippines can accelerate the AFP modernization when your naval assets, air bases, military installations, etc., are being bombed and bombarded. I do not think also that in case that a war ensues, that the US will attack mainland China or vice versa. This will start WW3 if it happens, which is unlikely for now... I believe, if in case the US decides to help us, it will be mostly for defense... and will be focused around the WPS area only... similar to the Korean war where several nations are involved in the war by sending troops as defense for both sides, but none ever attack each other directly... Falkland war is on the same page where neither Argentina or UK attacked their mainlands... it centered around the islands only... So for now I think the best thing is for the PH to stand its grounds and let diplomacy have its way... involve ASEAN and the UN if necessary to mediate... |
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| AZKALS | Apr 17 2012, 07:30 PM Post #1630 |
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China has urges the Philippines to withdraw ALL it's vessels from Scarborough Shoal to restore peace and stability in the region ... http://usa.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2012-04...nt_15063082.htm |
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