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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| israeli | Apr 22 2008, 07:48 PM Post #151 |
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from the way i see things, we can now determine the true intentions of our politicians and who among them are traitors to the Republic.
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| flipzi | Apr 23 2008, 01:12 AM Post #152 |
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Talking of technicality, i believe it is best that Senator Miriam Santigao takes a strong role in the discussion among the so-called "experts". As it seems it is she alone who knows deep enough about the complexity of this issue. View this one; http://www.inquirer.net/vdo/player.php?vid=613
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| flipzi | Apr 23 2008, 01:39 AM Post #153 |
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http://philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=...aid=20080422114 Remember that it was Sec. Eduardo Ermita who wrote to the Congress suggesting that we instead seek a "regime of islands” concept instead of being clearly a part of our territory. You know what that move means.
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| flipzi | May 3 2008, 02:57 PM Post #154 |
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| Vermonter | Aug 1 2008, 06:02 AM Post #155 |
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"It was reported that in 1989 2 North Korean boats landed along with 10 Chinese Marines and 4 Malaysian Frogmen in an attempt to capture the Scarborough Shoal and drive out the Filipinos from the island. Philippine troops started firing at Chinese troops. A gun battle was fought between Philippine troops and Chinese troops. After the main battle 4 Chinese troops were injured and 2 were killed. [edit] Vietnamese involvment It was reported that one landing boat and 8 Vietnamese snipers landed on Scarborough Shoal to help the Filipinos fight and left as soon as the Chinese retreated. It was said that the Vietnamese aided the Filipinos in fighting to take revenge on the Chinese after the Chinese defeated Vietnam in the Johnson South Reef Skirmish." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough_Shoal Someone please verify this? |
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| truegrit | Feb 20 2009, 08:44 AM Post #156 |
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Beijing, February 18, 2009 (AFP) - China on Wednesday slammed the Philippines for laying claim to parts of the disputed Spratly Islands, calling the move a violation of Chinese sovereignty. "The government of the People’s Republic of China has indisputable sovereignty over these islands and their adjacent waters," said a statement issued by the foreign ministry. The statement took exception to Philippine claims on Huangyan Island -- also known as Scarborough Shoal -- and other parts of the Spratlys, which are known in China as the Nansha islands. "Claims to territory sovereignty over Huangyan Island and the Nansha Islands by any other country are all illegal and invalid," the statement said. Philippine lawmakers on Tuesday passed a bill spelling out its claims in the South China Sea, whose islands are claimed in whole or in part by a host of Asian nations. The legislation, however, also acknowledges rival claims. Included within the Philippine claims are the Scarborough Shoal, also claimed by China, and part of the Spratly chain, also claimed in whole or in part by Brunei, China, Malaysia, Taiwan and Vietnam. China's official Xinhua news agency said Vice Foreign Minister Wang Guangya summoned the charge d'affaires of the Philippine embassy in Beijing on Wednesday to lodge a "stern protest" over the bill. There was no immediate mention of any retaliatory measures. The islands sit astride vital sea lanes and may contain significant oil and gas deposits. |
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| saver111 | Mar 6 2009, 05:30 PM Post #157 |
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US urged to back RP in Spratlys claim By Pia Lee-Brago Updated March 06, 2009 12:00 AM MANILA, Philippines - The United States should “unequivocally support” the right of the Philippines to stake its claims in the South China Sea as well as point out the “aggressive, unreasonable nature” of China’s territorial claim in the area, a US-based think tank has said. Walter Lohman, director of the Heritage Foundation Asian Studies Center, said that while the US does not support any particular claim, it should “bring attention to the responsible, deliberative, legal nature” of the Philippines’ claim. Lohman’s observation is contained in a policy research paper titled “Spratly Islands: The Challenge to US Leadership in the South China Sea.” Lohman said that legality aside, any territorial claim should pass a common sense test. “Claiming sovereignty over 648,000 square miles of sea bordering on eight countries is absolutely untenable. And the US ought to say so,” Lohman said of China’s claim. “The Philippines has done the world a great favor by reminding it of Chinese ambitions,” he said. He cited China’s use of 2,000-year-old maps as reference as well as its “imaginative reading” of the Law of the Sea Treaty. “Ultimately, the US cannot remain neutral in a dispute between an ally and its competition for regional influence - China,” he said. “If an alliance does not at least mean dispensing with neutrality in choosing your friends, then what does it mean?” He said the Chinese appeared to be playing on the “ambiguities” in the American position. “Left unchallenged, the Chinese claim to the South China Sea could one day leave the American Pacific Fleet asking Chinese permission to conduct routine operations,” Lohman warned.[/b] “If the Chinese claims calcify at a pace similar to the development of their navy, in another 10 years, the US will have a real crisis on its hands,”[/b] he said. The Spratly Islands dispute, Lohman said, is not just the Philippines’ problem and that it is an even bigger problem for the US and all who rely on its leadership in the Asia Pacific. The old issue of conflicting claims over the Spratly Islands resurfaced on the eve of the annual Association of Southeast Asian Nations summit in Thailand last week. “There is nothing simple about this dispute. Taiwan and Vietnam claim all of the Spratly Islands. And the specific Bruneian and Malaysian claims overlap those of the Philippines,” Lohman said. “But it is the Chinese claim - because of its aggressive scope, the history behind it, and China’s growing military capacity to back it up - that poses the real problem to regional stability,” he said. He called the Chinese claim “expansive,” noting that the Kalayaan Islands are 1,000 nautical miles from China. By contrast, Lohman said, Palawan is roughly 230 miles away. “Incidentally, the Kalayaans are a municipality of Palawan. Yet China also claims territory even closer to Palawan Island: Mischief Reef, the source of so much diplomatic scuffling 10 years ago, is only 135 miles away,” he said. He added that the Chinese claim not only the Spratlys but 80 percent of the South China Sea. “Critically, the claim is passively supported by China’s growing military prowess (double-digit annual growth in military spending and an expanding fleet of sophisticated warships and submarines) and what increasingly appears to be deliberate ambiguity about the intentions behind this buildup,” he said. “This is a diplomatic problem,” Lohman said. “The possibility that this dispute could escalate to a point where the US could be called to invoke its treaty obligations to the Philippines is remote,” he said referring to the 1951 Mutual Defense Treaty. “It did not reach that point in the mid-1990s - a much more contentious environment than today. But the risk of serious conflict only increases with time,” Lohman said. http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63 |
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| israeli | Mar 11 2009, 02:13 PM Post #158 |
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something all of us here in the Philippines should be aware of- increased Chinese aggressiveness in enforcing their claim to a vast portion of the South China Sea, including areas that rightfully belong to the Republic of the Philippines and its people.
this fact should be more than enough reason for us to beef up our external defense capabilities. we simply CANNOT and SHOULD NOT allow the Chinese to take over territory that rightfully belongs of us. |
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| valiant | Mar 11 2009, 03:00 PM Post #159 |
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problem is the Chinese also think the islands or islets rightfully belong to them and they have a far more powerful military to back their claims. We solve our internal problems first and just pray that the US will take on the China in that area. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Mar 11 2009, 05:56 PM Post #160 |
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China is always playing the game of saber rattling. They cannot even put back their renegade province of Taiwan to the fold. It is not that easy for them to grab the Spratlys. If without the Americans to protect the Philippines it should be a breeze for them to annex the Spratleys to their territory without even a minute of resistance. |
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