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| Mckoyzzz | Apr 12 2012, 04:24 PM Post #1491 |
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Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est
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Here's an interview by ANC to a former ABC News Beijing Bureau Chief on how the standoff might be resolved peacefully... [dohtml]<object style="height: 390px; width: 640px"><param name="movie" value="https://www.youtube.com/v/voj-uiyvfR0?version=3&feature=player_embedded"><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"><embed src="https://www.youtube.com/v/voj-uiyvfR0?version=3&feature=player_embedded" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="360"></object>[/dohtml] |
![]() "Do not condemn the judgment of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong -- Dandemis" | |
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| astro_boy2005 | Apr 12 2012, 04:25 PM Post #1492 |
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This is the sad fate that will go on and on. Babastusin talaga tayo ng mga intsik ng marami pang beses pag pinalampas natin ito. Imagine sa kabagalan ng pag aresto dapat sana nun wala yung dalawang research ship nila nakuha na natin yung mga chinese at sinakay na agad kay Goyo. At least by this time nakakulong na sila at napakawalan na yung mga pating etc etc. Kabagalan kahit kelan ng gobyerno. Kahit sa interview kay Pama at Tan halatang walang gusto umako ng responsibilidad. Dapat sana may kongkreto silang paninindigan. Parang nagdadalawang isip pa sila sa gagawin nila.. Kabwisit talaga gobyerno natin, wala kang tibay na maaasahan.
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| TonyStark2020 | Apr 12 2012, 04:48 PM Post #1493 |
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I just have a question Mr President, do our PCG"whites" can deal with their Chicom "WHITEs" or our PN Gray can deal with their PLA Gray??? Akala ko ba PF-15 was meant to secure and patrol WPS areas, so what happened here? Why did you have to send the GDP kung pa pull out niyo rin pala? Di sa na PCG nalang pinapunta niyo ng una palang..! Do you think kung PLA Warship ang nauna doon against our PCG eh E pull out nila just because of your White vs Gray way of thinking? Considering our Govt said and believes that SCARBOROUGH Shoal is definitely part of our territory, you send "we are to defend it whatever it takes?" Eh sa Chicom "Whites" palang di na umubra ang GDP eh at di mapaalis ang mga beho doon considering it's well armed than the Chicom whites??? - Sorry for the rant, but this really boils me.. ![]() For me there's only one way to deal and sort out a bully and one way to find out who really your true allies are..?? I think it's best to play our poker cards on both sides.
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| AZKALS | Apr 12 2012, 05:00 PM Post #1494 |
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Good Luck to PCG ship BRP Pampanga SARV-003 out there in the Scarborough Shoal after relieving BRP GDP PF-15 today ...
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| TonyStark2020 | Apr 12 2012, 05:09 PM Post #1495 |
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We all know that the minute we give in and let's say both agree to back off for now.. the minute we do that, the next thing that can/will happen would be a Mischief Reef 2 and once it happens it's already game over for us and all of our other claims as well, say goodbye to RECTO BANK..! ITS ONLY THEM TO BACK OFF!
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| I AM NOT PINOY, "I AM A FILIPINO" There is a BiG difference! | |
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| israeli | Apr 12 2012, 05:31 PM Post #1496 |
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No retreat, Navy chief assures, as BRP Gregorio del Pilar takes time to 'refuel' 12-Apr-12, 2:22 PM | Veronica Uy and Abigail Kwok, InterAksyon.com MANILA, Philippines (Update 3- 4:50 p.m.) - There is no retreat and 'we are not abandoning the area,' the Navy chief explained Thursday afternoon, after the command's flagship BRP Gregorio del Pilar moved out of Scarborough Shoal earlier in the day to go to Poro Point, effectively demilitarizing the new flashpoint in South China Sea. This, even as a third Chinese civilian ship was spotted in the area. Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said the vessel--the Philippines' only frigate--moved out of the area Thursday morning because it needed to restock on provisions and to refuel. He also clarified that the move was not a "pullout," adding that the ship will restock on provisions at Poro Point in San Fernando, La Union. <snipped> The BRP del Pilar was relieved by a Coast Guard vessel that arrived this morning at Scarborough Shoal. "This is a law enforcement matter; para hindi naman tayo mukhang siga dun let the civilian agency handle it," Pama said. Earlier, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario disclosed at a doorstop interview at the DFA that the BRP Gregorio del Pilar moved out of Scarborough Shoal to go to Poro Point, effectively demilitarizing the new flashpoint in South China Sea, even as a third Chinese civilian ship was spotted in the area. He stressed, though, that the frigate has been pulled out for "operational" reasons. The country's top diplomat added that the move is not part of the diplomatic negotiations with China to ease tension in the shoal located 124 miles (220 kilometers) off Zambales. He noted that a civilian ship under the Coast Guard replaced the Navy warship. <snipped> Asked if the BRP Gregorio del Pilar pullout will ease tension in the area, del Rosario said: "I don't know. But the capabilities of the Coast Guard ship are not as large as those of the Navy ship." Will it weaken the Philippine position? "I don't think so. We're working feverishly for a diplomatic solution." Nolcom chief: need to enforce maritime law Lt. Gen. Anthony Alcantara, commander of the Northern Luzon Command, said the BRP Gregorio del Pilar was replaced by the Coast Guard vessel. Another Coast Guard vessel is expected to arrive in the area to "enforce maritime law." "We are seeking a peaceful resolution of the issue, the conflict in the area," Alcantara told reporters. Alcantara said the third Chinese vessel spotted in the area was allegedly a vessel from the Ministry of Agriculture that arrived Wednesday. Chinese envoy told to explain 3rd ship Meanwhile, asked if the third Chinese civilian ship was a cause for alarm, del Rosario said he has not thought of it yet, but “might ask her (Chinese Ambassador Ma Keqing) casually why there is another ship there.” Will the Philippines send another civilian ship to the area? “I don’t see that there’s a plan to do that. There could be. I don’t know. That's an operational undertaking. The DFA is handling the diplomatic aspect of the issue," he said. <snipped> Del Rosario said he foresees a breakthrough in the next couple of days before he leaves for Washington this weekend. “We are moving forward but this is still a work in progress. Hopefully we can get in done in a day or two but we will have to see,” he said. Del Rosario refused to give details regarding the options he and the Chinese ambassador have agreed to work on. “I think I will appeal for understanding. We're in the stage of negotiations,” he said. He talked to the Chinese envoy twice Wednesday, the last one at 11 p.m., he said. <snipped> More of the article here. |
| "To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz | |
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| seWer Rat | Apr 12 2012, 05:37 PM Post #1497 |
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That's just diplospeak for the relief of Goyo by PCGSARV BRP Pampanga to match China's tack on a white vs white standoff. For sure Goyo & other PN assets are on ready standby not far from the area of contention. |
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| TonyStark2020 | Apr 12 2012, 05:43 PM Post #1498 |
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@asskal, What's with the dislike? Now is not the good time to run away if we know we are right and the whole World knows who has the more rights in this present situation, coz if we blink we lose everything and will be bullied and be running away all the time.. It's to find out if a piece of paper really works and or else make them pressure Beijing to back down so we know where and what we really are to the World.. WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY WILL NEVER MEAN WHAT THEY SAY AND THEY HAVE THEIR OWN RULES ONLY FOR THEIR OWN, DISREGARDING OTHERS RIGHTS!:salute: |
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| seWer Rat | Apr 12 2012, 05:47 PM Post #1499 |
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Philippines shuffles ships in maritime standoff with China http://edition.cnn.com/2012/04/12/world/as...naval-standoff/ Hong Kong (CNN) -- The Philippines said Thursday that it had pulled its largest naval vessel away from a remote lagoon in the South China Sea where it was engaged in an uneasy standoff with two Chinese maritime surveillance ships. But the tense situation is not yet resolved, as a Philippine coast guard boat remains at the scene, and a third Chinese ship has arrived, said Raul Hernandez, a spokesman for the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs. |
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| THE_NEWS_MAN | Apr 12 2012, 06:48 PM Post #1500 |
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PH won’t leave Scarborough 'defenseless' MANILA, Philippines - The Philippine government will not leave Scarborough Shoal defenseless despite pulling out its biggest warship from the area for refueling. In an interview with ANC, Navy commander Vice Admiral Alexander Pama said a Philippine Coast Guard search and rescue vessel is now in the area to replace BRP Gregorio del Pilar. “It should be leaving or have left the area already.” He said the Navy vessel will have to refuel and replace stocks, such as food, for its men on board. He said the instruction “is to remain there and continue what we’ve started” even as the executive department moves to resolve the standoff with China via diplomatic means. Pama said authorities are still hoping that the issue will be resolved peacefully. He said he does not see any signs of any weapons from the Chinese side, “and we’re also not showing anything that could be misinterpreted.” The latest dispute began last Sunday. The Philippine Navy, through its newly-commissioned BRP Gregorio del Pilar, found eight fishing boats in the area and accused them of fishing illegally. Two Chinese Marine Surveillance Ships later barricaded the boats, saying the Philippine Navy was harassing its citizens. China and Philippines are the only countries with competing claims over Scarborough Shoal, which is near Zambales province. The disputed waters in the whole South China Sea or West Philippine Sea are believed to be rich in resources, Aside from the Philippines and China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan also have claims in the South China Sea. Both China and the Philippines have already filed diplomatic protests over the standoff in Scarborough Shoal. Source |
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