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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| flipzi | Mar 26 2008, 04:45 PM Post #141 |
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The deal was FOOLISH! The danger there is that, considering China's double-talk strategy, the Chinese explorers wont release all the details of the findings and they can even give our country diluted or false information on the exploration. The Arroyo govt didnt even think about putting our own technical team (from PNOC or DOST or DOE) onboard the Chinese vessels to ensure that all infos that we need to know will not be kept from us by the Chinese. With this, China has much-improved knowledge of the potential of the what lies beneath the Spratly's. While us, another weakend status on our claim and ... billions of pesos worth of graft-ridden loans that the public must shoulder paying. AGAIN, ARROYO COMPROMISED NATIONAL INTEREST JUST SO SHE CAN GET MORE GRAFT-RIDDEN LOANS. That's about it. |
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| markniraq | Mar 26 2008, 06:27 PM Post #142 |
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Typical mentality. They believe everything someone higher than they says and they double check everyone below them and scrutinize them. I've seen that many times before. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Mar 27 2008, 05:05 AM Post #143 |
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The Agreement paves the way for China to gather intelligence mapping out of our territories and boundaries. To do this without an Agreement is a flagrant intrussion to our sovereign state under international law. Mrs. Arroyo is not only guilty of sell-out but also morally guilty of treason. She should have consulted the constituency before signing or during the crafting of the Agreement. The Agreement is like feeding to the wolves the territories we are dying to protect.
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| Tora^2 | Mar 27 2008, 10:27 AM Post #144 |
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I am also led to believe that Hanoi may have also been duped by Beijing as well. Vietnam has had a long history of bad blood with Beijing and exchanged gunfire with the PLA over their piece of the Spratlys. It is only now that Hanoi seeks to ride on China's boom but China is more than happy to take advantage of its other erstwhile enemy both of whom have a Communist Government but with a market economy |
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| flipzi | Mar 27 2008, 11:37 AM Post #145 |
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Buddy, i dont get this clear. |
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| flipzi | Apr 10 2008, 11:50 AM Post #146 |
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PAF: Vietnam constructing new structure in Spratlys By Tarra Quismundo, Norman Bordadora Philippine Daily Inquirer First Posted 05:48:00 04/10/2008 MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Air Force on Wednesday reported that one of its planes had sighted a new structure in a Vietnam-claimed island in the disputed Spratly chain. Col. Jose Tony Villarete, commander of the Palawan-based 570th Composite Tactical Wing, said a March 19 PAF reconnaissance flight over the disputed islands showed new construction on Pugad island, one of 21 islands being claimed by Vietnam. “It is new but it is not military ... It is civilian. It looks like a residential building, or for whatever civilian use. That island is occupied by fishermen,” Villarete said Wednesday at the close of a PAF briefing on the Spratlys. Villarete said the island is some 40 nautical miles northwest of Pag-asa island, one of the nine Spratly islands claimed by the Philippines, which is now a municipality of Palawan province. No violation PAF officials said the new construction was not in violation of any agreement as Pugad island is already occupied by Vietnam. “I don’t see anything alarming there,” he said. The new construction was nowhere like the controversial military settlement that China built on Mischief Reef in 1995, he said. China’s occupation of Mischief Reef, which is part of the Philippine-claimed Kalayaan island group, caused a diplomatic uproar among claimants to the resource-rich Spratly chain which is being claimed in whole or partly by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Taiwan and the Philippines. It prompted the parties to draw up a code of conduct that barred any new occupation of the disputed islands and allowed navigation and overflights for all claimant countries. Baselines compromised Meanwhile, Cebu City Rep. Antonio Cuenco, chair of the House committee on foreign affairs, said he has thought of a way to solve the executive-legislative impasse over House Bill 3216, the measure seeking to define the country’s archipelagic baselines. Cuenco said Congress could adopt a law that will only enclose within its archipelagic baselines those islands in the Kalayaan group that are actually occupied by the Philippines. Cuenco said this may be an option that the executive branch and Congress might want to consider in the wake of the disagreement between the executive and the House on how the baselines bill should be worded. “We will include in our baselines only around nine islands that are occupied by Filipino communities. And of course, Scarborough Shoal because it is quite near [our main archipelago],” Cuenco said. The House has passed on second reading HB 3216 that proposes baselines that enclose the entire Philippine archipelago and stretch to the west to include as well the Kalayaan group and Scarborough Shoal off Zambales. The baselines bill now pending in the Senate is substantially the same as the House version. Malacañang has asked the House to reconsider passing the HB 3216, citing the position of its Commission on Maritime and Ocean Affairs that the Philippines might have to go to war to assert its sovereignty or surrender territory within the baselines since some of the islands are already occupied by China, Vietnam and other claimants. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadl...ure-in-Spratlys What more alarming here is this;
This is stupid! We are again, bowing to the pressures that further encourage other claimants to solidify the claim while they themselves claim all. REP. CUENCO and his gang are cowards. A stupid strategist as you may call. Tatanga naman nila. Batas pa lang na magpapalakas sa ating sovereignty ay di pa nila mabigyan ng tapanag na ipagtanggol. Masyado natatakot sa sasabihin ng ibang bansa. Samantalang yung ibang bansa sinakop na nga yung dapat ay sa atin gaya ng ginawa ng China at yung pagsakop ng Vietnam sa isang isla na pa nuong kasagsang ng EDSA 1. Mga duwag talaga. Mga tanga pa. Tanga na nga mga duwag pa. Tsk tsk tsk. If this is the kind of lawmakers we have, lagi na lang talo ang bansa sa pakikipagnegosasyon sa foreign affairs. |
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| israeli | Apr 11 2008, 01:04 AM Post #147 |
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Air Force to repair airstrip on Pag-asa By Tarra Quismundo Philippine Daily Inquirer First Posted 22:16:00 04/10/2008 MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Air Force will be making repairs on the eroded airstrip on Pag-asa island, the country’s most tangible claim to the contested Spratly island chain. Colonel Pedro Rieza, commander of the 355th Aviation Engineering Wing, said military engineers were to begin repairing -- in phases -- the 1,260-meter Rancudo Runway, which has been damaged by use and the force of water currents. Rieza said repairs on an inundated portion at the southwest side of the runway are the priority and are expected to begin by the third quarter, using a P6.6-million fund allocated by the Armed Forces in August 2004. “The southwest area already poses a hazard to planes that land and take off so we have to build a seawall there,” Rieza said. The planned repairs will be the most extensive restoration work on the Pag-asa airstrip since it was built in May 1975. Minor “resurfacing” work and runway markings were done in 2004, but repairs on the eroded parts have been delayed because shipping construction materials to the island is difficult due to shallow waters and surrounding corals. |
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| gen1 | Apr 11 2008, 10:44 AM Post #148 |
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Make you long for the days when the south china sea was a private lake owned by the seventh fleet. ngayon we're steadily losing our rights to this potentially oil-rich isles. |
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| Tora^2 | Apr 21 2008, 02:10 PM Post #149 |
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Just because the US' economy is out of the running and China may become the leading source of Jobs and Foreign Capital in this irredeemably corrupt country, our Congressmen seemed to have lost their Cojones to realpolitik:
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| flipzi | Apr 22 2008, 05:06 PM Post #150 |
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No rush to meet UN deadline on Spratlys bill--Santiago By Veronica Uy INQUIRER.net First Posted 12:55:00 04/22/2008 MANILA, Philippines -- There is no rush to meet the United Nations May 2009 deadline for a baseline bill because the world body does not penalize countries that do not meet it, said Senator Miriam Defensor-Santiago, chairperson of the foreign relations committee. "The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea does not impose a compulsory duty for archipelagic states to draw their baselines because the convention states that 'the State may draw.' It does not say 'shall draw,'" she told reporters Monday afternoon. "There is no penalty if you don't declare your baselines," she added. The discussions on the baseline bill were postponed for three weeks at the House of Representatives to allow for consultations with the Senate and the executive department. The House version, which passed on second reading, seeks to enclose the disputed Spratlys Islands and Scarborough Shoals within the country's baselines. But the executive department rejects this proposal, arguing among others that it will heighten the conflict in the region. "The baselines bill is another mistake. In the first place, these people who have been so voluble in the media do not realize the profundity and the complexity of the baselines issue," Santiago said. "Akala nila basta magdrawing ka ng baselines, tapos na [They think that if you simply draw the baselines, that’s it]. And they included certain contested islands there. There are many complications there. The boundaries of the Philippines will become very much smaller if we declare it an archipelagic state under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea because the boundaries of the Philippines, as specified in the Treaty of Paris are so much wider. So why should we be in a hurry to narrow down our own internal waters?" she asked. The senator said she wrote about the archipelagic doctrine for the Philippine Law Journal of the University of the Philippines when she was taking her masters at the University of Michigan. Santiago, under whose committee the measure will be discussed, suggested instead that experts be invited to shed light on the different aspects of the baseline bill. "My proposal is to convene a commission of experts. That is the problem with the Senate. This is a very highly technical subject, and everyone is just shooting his mouth off for a sound bite. You cannot do that with this very complicated legal issue," she said. Controversy has surrounded the bill as it involves the Spratlys Islands, different parts of which are being claimed by six countries -- the Philippines, China, Brunei, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Taiwan. http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...-bill--Santiago
That's better. Nonetheless, excluding ANY OF THE SPRATLY'S ISLANDS will weaken our claim in one way or the other or may even endanger our claim to the ones we now occupy. What if China, Vietnam, Taiwan and Malaysia have already drawn their baselines that included the whole of Spratly's? Since we only claim a few, then we may end up getting sidesweeped because the others have a stronger claim since they claim all anyway. IT IS STUPID TO SAY THAT WE CANT CLAIM THE ISLANDS BECAUSE OTHERS ARE CLAIMING IT. In fact, China has not only claimed the islands but PUT UP A STRUCTURE THAT IS SO NEAR PALAWAN. You see? This is the problem. WE ARE SO WEAK IN THE NEGOTIATIONS. THE LAWMAKERS GET TOO SCARED TO DISPLEASE THE OTHERS .... WHILE THE OTHERS KEEP ON DISPLEASING US. Isnt that stupid? Strengthening our claim with a law will be one of our strong points in our claim. IF WE WILL LOSE THE SPRATLY'S JUST BECAUSE OF TECHNICALITY THEN, FELLOWS, REMEMBER THE NAMES OF THOSE LAWMAKERS WHO ACTED COWARDLY and STUPIDLY. By the way,
That's the most dangerous part. We are giving in or swaying to the influence being imposed upon our government by China, and at the time when China itself is holding on to the creeping invasion of the whole South China Sea. Isnt it stupid? Well, it's worse actually. It's a treason and the result is complicated by the STUPIDITY of the lawmakers and those behind them. |
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