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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (155,977 Views)
AVBsupersonic
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This is not good for us.. But we are in the position to do anything, meaning the move on sending the PF-15 is the right thing to do considering they are intruding our territory, the GDP is officially stationed to secure and patrol these areas within our EEZs so any Chicom propaganda news of harassment by PN is absurd.

The way I see it, technically GDP is the one being harassed and sandwiched by 2 Chicoms research vessel preventing the arrests of the CH Poachers...

The question is what prevents PF-15 from performing it's mandate to detain or arrest these poachers including the 2 CH survey vessels? -could be that it's also armed?

The PF-15 maybe a designated Philippine Naval ship to us w/ just added extra guns, but it still is just technically an ex USCG vessel w/ PN sailors on board.. just saying we really are the oppressed in this scenario....

THEY SHOULDN'T BACK DOWN AT ANY COST... This is the moment of TRUTH for everything, on what do we get out of our MDT w/ the US.

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TonyStark2020
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Dapat kasi di na nila pinatagal at idetain na nila agad yun mga poachers at inokupahan agad ng marines ang Shoal, una unahan lang iyan para tuloy Mischief Reef 2 in the making ito..! Di dapat sila kikilos sa pwesto nila dahil ang unang umalis ay talo..

Their move now should be to occupy the Shoal with Marines and invite some foreign Journalist to tag along, para magkaalaman na kung sino talaga ang nagsasabi ng totoo at kung gaano ka sinungaling ang Tsina! We are just exercising our right to secure and protect our EEZ n territories under UNCLOS. :assault: :defense:
I AM NOT PINOY, "I AM A FILIPINO" There is a BiG difference!
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Ayoshi
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Ok I don't like to disrespect the flag of other countries but seems that many people don't like the Chinese.

Ely Pamatong burns Chinese flag

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South Koreans tear up Chinese flag in anger

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THE_NEWS_MAN
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si ely spike Pamatong sya lng ang malaks ang loob magsunog nang bandila nang china.kaso sinira nya un image nya un nagkalat sya nang spike sa edsa.IMHO wala tayong magagawa lalo kng ang flagship natin is gunboat lng ang tawag nang ibang bansa.they should really put the modernization in fast pace i am watching bandila they said they will deploy more marines if im not mistaken.kawawang marines sana nmn maski konti STINGER at javelin meron sila dahil kawawa nmn nakataya ang buhay nila don sa island na un para nmn silang daga na pinaain sa ahas na walang laban sa ahas :(
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^^Guys there's really no way for the PN personnel to fasten their arrest of those illigal fishermen because they were only armed with a zodiac boat and a B105. Plus they got intimidated by 2 research vessels.

Anyway, pati dito sa canada balita ito:
China, Philippines dispute South China Sea area
http://www.torontosun.com/2012/04/11/china...-china-sea-land

MANUEL MOGATO, REUTERS

FIRST POSTED: WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11, 2012 03:55 AM EDT | UPDATED: WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11, 2012 04:03 AM EDT

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MANILA - The Philippines summoned China’s ambassador on Wednesday for talks over a standoff in a jointly claimed area in the South China Sea, but the dispute escalated when China accused the Philippines of harassing Chinese fishermen.

The Philippines and China are contesting sovereignty over a small group of rock formations known as Scarborough Shoal.

The shoal, known in the Philippines as the Panatag Shoal but which the Chinese call Huangyan Island, is about 124 nautical miles off the main Philippine island of Luzon, near a former U.S. navy base in Subic Bay.

On Sunday, a Philippines Navy surveillance plane spotted eight Chinese fishing boats in the shoal and Manila’s largest warship, a U.S. Hamilton-class cutter, was sent to check on the Chinese presence.

Two Chinese surveillance ships arrived soon after the crew from the warship inspected the fishing boats on Tuesday. The surveillance vessels were then placed between the warship and the fishing boats to prevent the arrest of any fishermen.

The dispute is one of a mosaic of conflicting claims over islands, reefs and shoals in the South China Sea that pit China against the Philippines, Vietnam, Brunei, Malaysia and Taiwan.

Some of the claims have drawn the United States to press China over sovereignty.

Tension has risen in the past two years over worries China is becoming more assertive in its claims to the seas, believed to be rich in oil and gas and straddling shipping lanes between East Asia and Europe and the Middle East.

The stakes have risen further since the United States last year began refocusing its military attention on Asia, strengthening ties with the Philippines and Australia.

China said it was talking with the Philippines Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) to seek a solution to the Scarborough dispute so that “China-Philippines friendly relations and peace, stability in the South China Sea are well preserved”.

A statement issued by the Chinese embassy said 12 fishing boats had taken shelter from harsh weather in a lagoon. It said the Philippine “gunboat” blocked the lagoon entrance, preventing the Chinese surveillance vessels from “fulfilling the duties of safeguarding Chinese maritime rights and interests”.

It said the embassy immediately contacted the DFA and “reiterated China’s sovereignty over Huangyan Island, (and) urged the Philippine side to stop immediately their illegal activities and leave this area”.

In an earlier move to ease tensions, a Philippine military commander said a coast guard ship was on its way to the area to assist the warship, saying the navy should not be involved in the enforcement of maritime laws.

“We have authority to confiscate them and bring the ships here. We’ve done that in the past,” Lieutenant General Anthony Alcantara told reporters.


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@spear you are correct we got spooked(i mean the GDP)
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why do i have this strange feeling that if we leave Panatag, the Chinese will be there again, this time to plant their flag and build a permanent garrison in the area. Mischief Reef incident in the making?
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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To keep the tensions down and to save faces of China and PH, PH should:
1) Allow PCG to replace Goyo.
2) CMS's two ships should leave the area.
3) The poachers can leave with CMS provided they leave their 8 boats and their catches.
4) We release live sharks and put back corals and giant clams back in the shoal.
5) Poachers can reclaim boats if they post bail.

The harsher approach is that the fishermen gets jail time until they post bail which I think they will not agree. CMS ships are there to protect their poachers. For all you know they are in cahoots with those suckers.

If all hell break loose, as VAdmiral Pama said " We are prepared to respond and defend our sovereignity".
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Defend with what?
But I don't think replacing Goyo will going to save our faces. We are their first. We must leave last and along with those illegal chinese fishing vessels.
The aggressor in here is clearly the chinese. So we don't need to do anything to face faces. If we want to safe faces in here its better we convince them to leave.
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