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The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones?
Topic Started: Feb 2 2005, 08:00 PM (155,997 Views)
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Maybe the planned economic sanction of china to us could bring more positive outcome than a negative implications....
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Mukhang malakas magkape ang Tsina at masyadong nirbeyoso...

No reason for China to worry–Palace
By Norman Bordadora
Philippine Daily Inquirer 12:31 am | Sunday, January 29th, 2012

MANILA, Philippines—China need not be alarmed or even take offense over the Philippines’ discussions with the United States for an increased American military presence in the archipelago, a Malacańang official said on Saturday.
Secretary Ricky Carandang, a communications aide of President Benigno Aquino III, said the talks between Philippine officials and their US counterparts didn’t involve any offensive posturing in the disputed territories in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea).

Asked if a new agreement covering an expanded US presence in the Philippines would antagonize China, Carandang said, “Not necessarily.”

“We are merely taking steps to enhance our own security and all these initiatives are of a defensive nature and there is no effort being made to project any offensive capability,” Carandang said in a text message.

He said no US troops or armaments, if at all, would be based in the undisputed Philippine territory. There will also be no permanent bases, he added.

China is now the second largest economy in the world. Trade ties with the Philippines have been growing despite tensions over conflicting claims to parts of the Spratlys islands and some reefs near Palawan in the West Philippine Sea.

Carandang couldn’t say, however, if the deal would be finalized when President Aquino meets with US President Barack Obama in the middle of the year.

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China: Respond to Philippines Provocation, But Not Militarily

January 30, 2012 • 9:21AM


Talks on an increased U.S. military presence in the Philippines were prominently reported by the Washington Post last week and immediately confirmed by Philippines officials. There is much speculation on what exactly this means, including "temporary" access for U.S. military aircraft and warships to Philippines bases, and possibly drone bases.

China's Global Times, which often reflects high-level party opinion, responded Sunday to the Philippines's signal "that it would expand the U.S. military presence on its soil."

"Given the recent active maneuvers of the U.S. military in China's neighboring area, the lack of a response from China would be inappropriate, though it is also impossible to react strongly toward every move by the U.S. It is thus necessary to single out a few cases and apply due punishment. The Philippines is a suitable target to impose such a punishment. A reasonable yet powerful enough sanction can be considered. It should show China's neighboring area that balancing China by siding with the U.S. is not a good choice...

"To this end, China may consider cooling down its business ties with the Philippines. One step forward in military collaboration with the U.S. means a step backward in economic cooperation with China. In the long run, China may also use its economic leverage to cut economic activities between ASEAN countries and the Philippines...

"[China] has its principles. It will not accept a small country in the region creating military tensions by playing a balancing strategy. A price should be paid for violating this principle. The Philippines will not be an exception."

"We hope that relevant parties will make more effort toward peace and stability in the region," China's foreign ministry said in a brief statement to press outlets.


http://www.larouchepac.com/node/21370


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"Principles"??? What kind of principles? The bullying "Principle" right...!

The Philippine Government already warned you and have tried to avoid getting into conflict and to some extent pleaded for you to respect our EEZ Territories, but you didn't listen and continued, forcing us against the wall.. WE ARE ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT WHAT 'S TRULY OURS! LEARN TO RESPECT YOUR SE ASIAN NEIGHBORS...

I believe friendly ASEAN Countries will help each other and be able to survive without China, with the help of EU and the US, you can just imagine how HUGE effect it would be if these Countries will help each other then slowly pulling out investments in your backyard and moving them out and into these "smaller ASEAN Countries" and not to buy all your "Cheap" quality products THAT YOUR PRESENT ECONOMY DEPENDS ON...

China will become isolated like N.Korea in an instance, your only way out of this is to learn to respect others in order for you to be respected, "Great Powers comes with Great RESPONSIBILITY!"
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Tama ka po sir AVBsupersonic, I think it will favor our local manufacuturing industry kung magslow down or totaly mawala na ang mga cheap, substandard and copycat chinese products dito sa bansa naten. Lets support locally made and with good quality products :patrioticpinoy:
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Hahaha...pathetic China somewhat funny! yes sir ABV you're right mabuti nga sa kanila kung tutuusin we're not that affected among Chinese investment tayo pa rin ang pinakamaliit sa mga investment nila sa SE maybe the others would be affected pero tayo nagsisimula palang sila dito lucky for us kung sakali puro pa nga anomaly ang investment nila dito. It shows we made the right move kasi nag react sila totally...hehehe buti nga.
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Yes comrade but i mean by our speakers in DFA not a military responds we can't do that yet
"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom."

“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Philippines seeks US muscle on South China Sea

9 February 2012 Last updated at 01:19 GMT

By Mary Kay Magistad

Sarah Osorio is bubbly and beautiful, and she is enjoying her reign as both Miss Palawan and Miss Kalayaan - the name of a contested chain of tiny islands in the South China Sea.

"That's me!" said the 18-year-old, showing a video of the beauty contest, where she struts down the runway beaming and wearing a red bikini.

Ms Osorio said she joined the pageant to make a serious point - about the Kalayaan Islands, where her father is an elected member of the municipal council. Her chance came when she was asked on stage what she would do if she won.

"I will focus on the biggest problem of our municipality, which is that other countries are claiming my municipality," she replied. "Because my municipality is for the Philippines only." The crowd went wild and the crown was hers.
Miss Palawan, Sarah Osorio Miss Palawan, Sarah Osorio, says she wants to make a point about disputed islands

The Kalayaan Islands are some of the thousands of islands, atolls and reefs in the South China Sea, where China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan have overlapping territorial claims. Beneath and around them are believed to be rich reserves of oil and natural gas.

China's claim includes almost the entire South China Sea, well into what the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea recognises as the 200-mile-from-shore Exclusive Economic Zones of other claimants. That has led to occasional flare-ups and to competition to occupy islands, reefs and sandbars.

The Philippine army has a few men living on a rusting boat docked on one atoll. There is not room for anything else.

Kalayaan's main island, Pag-asa - about 650 metres in diameter - is spacious by comparison. Many of its 60 residents are in local government.

"We're a small island - no activities, no entertainment," Ms Osorio said. "You can fish during the day and at 6pm, no electricity, sleep." Still, she says, people choose to live there "to show it's ours, that we have that island for the Philippines".

Coastal clashes

China's energy needs are expected to double over the next 25 years. Already it imports more than half its oil. It is looking to the South China Sea to provide more and is becoming increasingly aggressive in asserting its claims.
Lt-General Juancho Sabban, with the Chinese fishing boat Lt-Gen Juancho Sabban, with the seized Chinese fishing boat

When ExxonMobil announced in October that it had found what looked like a sizable natural gas field near the Vietnamese city of Danang, China warned that foreign companies should not proceed in waters it claims.

A Vietnamese survey ship in May filmed as a Chinese Marine Surveillance boat severed the Vietnamese ship's seismic sensor cable.

The Philippines has had its own challenges. Lt-Gen Juancho Sabban, who heads the Western Command of the Philippine Armed Forces on the island, shows off what he calls a "Chinese donation" to his marine patrol boats - a confiscated Chinese fishing speedboat.

"They had GPS, they had radios. They had air compressors for deep sea diving - making use of an air hose - about 50 metres," he said.

Gen Sabban thinks the boat was involved in surveillance. When it went into internal waters, smaller Philippine patrol boats blocked it. The Chinese speedboat tried to ram one of them so the patrols fired to disable the engine.

The arrested crew said they were fishermen from the southern Chinese island of Hainan. But Gen Sabban doubts a fishing boat would have travelled 600 miles on its own. He notes that the group were promptly bailed out by the Chinese embassy and disappeared.

He says similar boats have left markers and construction materials near islands or reefs the Philippines claims.

The Chinese erected a structure on Mischief Reef in 1995 almost overnight and now have a permanent presence there, some 130 nautical miles from the Philippines and 600 from China.

Still, China says it has ancient claims to these distant islands, because Chinese explorers, centuries ago, found them and named them.
Looking out on the South China Sea Investors are lining up to explore the South China Sea for oil and gas

"In layman's terms, it's absurd," said Gen Sabban. "Unbelievable." By the same logic, he says, Filipinos travelled to China centuries ago, so the Philippines should be able to claim some of China.

Gen Sabban sees China's new assertiveness as linked to the fact that the Philippines and Vietnam are both opening up waters they claim to foreign companies. Shell and Chevron are already active in the Philippines, and the country is soliciting bids for 15 more offshore exploration blocks.

"Now our oil industry is picking up and investors have increased five-fold or so," Gen Sabban said. "This year, there will be more drilling in the West Philippine Sea (the Philippines' name for areas of the South China Sea it claims) and we expect that by the end of this year, more rigs will be in place."
'Vital area'

Protecting an oil rig will be one of the exercises the Philippines performs with the US military this spring. A Philippines delegation visited Washington in January to talk about enhanced US military support in the South China Sea.

"This area is vital to the United States," Chief of US Naval Operations Admiral Jonathan Greenert said recently. "It's been an area vital to our navy and our focus for decades, because of… the trade routes, the large economies."

Adm Greenert said the challenge was to keep trade routes open - and peaceful - while keeping belligerence to a minimum.

China's view is that the US should mind its own business.

"Any interference from outside forces or a multilateral discussion will only complicate matters, rather than resolving them," Chinese Foreign Ministry Spokesman Liu Weimin said in November.

China points out that the $30bn in trade the Philippines has with China could double in a couple of years. Or China could punish the country, as the Communist Party-owned newspaper The Global Times suggested, for turning to the US for more military muscle.

Another Global Times editorial warned that "small countries" like the Philippines and Vietnam should stop challenging China's interests or "they will need to prepare for the sound of cannons".

Not surprisingly, this kind of talk irritates Gen Sabban. He says he has doubled patrols of nearby waters over the past 18 months, but has not increased armed presence. He would prefer a peaceful solution. Still, he says, China should think before getting any more aggressive in these waters.

"Remember the Vietnam war, where a smaller country defeated a superpower," he says. "It's about the determination of a people to defend themselves."

And it does not hurt that another superpower stands ready to come to their aid.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16926554
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New Chinese envoy sees peaceful solution to Spratlys dispute
By Pia Lee Brago (The Philippine Star) Updated February 22, 2012 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - With the territorial conflict and heightened tensions between the Philippines and China over the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea), China’s new ambassador to the Philippines said on Monday that the two countries may disagree on issues but a peaceful solution could be attained.

“I do not fear that the flowing clouds may block my vision, for where I stand is the top of the mountain,” Ambassador Ma Keqing said, quoting from a Chinese poem to describe the bilateral relations between China and the Philippines in reference to the disagreement and territorial claims of the two countries that remain critical factors in the relations.

“I have to say with all frankness that there are issues on which we disagree with each other. However, my conviction is that, through constructive communication and practical cooperation building on mutual trust, a peaceful solution could be attained,” Ma said in her remarks during the reception marking her assumption of office.

She emphasized the common vision to have a better and stronger relationship between the two countries.

“From such a height, and with concerted efforts by both sides, I am sure that we will deliver a promising and flourishing future for China-Philippines relations,” she said.

Ma said the world is undergoing political changes, economic uncertainties and institutional developments and all countries, major powers included, are increasingly interdependent.

“In a way, we are sailing in the same boat. Only by working together can we steer the boat to the desired destination. Being fully aware of her responsibilities, China is pursuing a peaceful development in a steadfast manner,” she added.

The two countries, Ma said, disagree on the West Philippine Sea and other issues that should be resolved through discussion, communication, mutual trust and goodwill.

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yeah, their envoy talks about peaceful solution yet their military hardliners talk about teaching us a lesson. double-faced chinese. :armyroleyes:
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yeah, their envoy talks about peaceful solution yet their military hardliners talk about teaching us a lesson. double-faced chinese. :armyroleyes:

That's why better to be prepared all the time... we don't know what their real face is... (doble-kara)
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