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| The Kalayaan, Panatag & other disputed islands; Future conflict zones? | |
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| Hitman | Oct 17 2011, 08:58 PM Post #1191 |
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most materials and parts should also be local or locally available. |
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| ni84 | Oct 18 2011, 07:24 AM Post #1192 |
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For the moment we must monitor and anticipate every move our fellow claimants do in the disputed islands as their moves would reflect our future moves as well and insure and appropriate response if need be. Barking will not work in this situation. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| matrix | Oct 18 2011, 08:51 AM Post #1193 |
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China-trying-to-split-asean-over-spratly--Vietnamese-expert A VIETNAMESE diplomatic expert said China is aggressively using its military power and ambiguity by not clarifying its claims and dividing members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) to prevent the regional bloc to adopt a binding code of conduct to stop its military intrusions. Tran Truong Thuy, director of the Vietnam Center for East Sea Studies, said there is a need to counter China’s “charm” and offensive approaches in dealing with the disputes in the South China Sea as Beijing continues to “control the South China Sea strategically and economically.” He said Beijing is taking advantages of ambiguity or the lack of legal foundation (for its claim) as it refuses until now to clarify its claim and maintain its 9-dash line claim of historical claim over the entire South China Sea, which it calls the Nansha Islands. “China is also opposed to multilateralism as it prevents discussions on South China Sea disputes in any regional and international forum, said Tran, as he stressed that Beijing instead uses “the divide and rule [tactic] in dealing with Association of Southeast Asian Nations members targeting nonclaimant countries like Burma, Laos, Cambodia and Thailand.” Four Asean members—the Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and Brunei —are claimants to parts of the disputed islands of South China Sea. The other Asean members are Singapore and Indonesia. Tran is one of the resource speakers at the two-day Forum on the South China Sea held at the Manila Polo Club in Makati. He is also a member of the advisory board on the South China Sea issues of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Vietnam. He said although China’s military approach to control near seas, denial of access to its occupied territories and modernization of its navy reflect its approach of “displaying charm” without preparing for war or “win without fighting.” Aileen Baviera, head of Asian Studies of the University of the Philippines, said the government should push for “bolder unilateral claims” instead of its consistent calls for multilateral cooperation at the diplomatic level. She said the “luxury of talking tough is left to those carrying the tiniest stick, in that case, the Philippines.” Baviera said the government’s rules-based approach should be supported but Manila also has to deal with the “might makes right” approach of bigger claimants such as China. Foreign Undersecretary for Special and Ocean Concerns Jose Brillantes Jr. said the proposals to settle the South China Sea issue provided in the forum “move the situation away from the possible armed conflict” in the region. He agreed to a consensus among the stakeholders to conduct a joint activity in shelving the more sensitive issues of sovereignty and territorial claims and focus on maritime research, environmental safety, as well as search-and-rescue projects. US Ambassador Frank Wisner, former undersecretary of state for international security affairs, and now an international affairs adviser said the US government is concerned over the “loss of diplomatic traction” now leading to increased assertions of claimant-countries and exploration for hydrocarbons. “The United States looks to the nations of this area to find diplomatic solutions to differences,” said Wisner during the forum. “At the same time, it is committed to maintaining a robust military presence in Asia and will support its allies. It will maintain capabilities sufficient to deter conflict.” He urged stakeholders, particularly Asean and China, to speed up the adoption of the binding Code of Conduct. “The time is right for tempers to cool and diplomatic engagement to take over. A Code of Conduct is needed,” said Wisner. Former Chinese Ambassador to the United Nations Chen Shiqui, meanwhile, maintained that addressing disputes in the South China Sea require bilateral negotiation and consultation. He stressed that there should be “no involvement by any external forces in the South China Sea disputes.” “Internationalizing the South China Sea issue is undesirable, as that will only further complicate the situation,” Chen said. Although maintaining China’s territorial claim over the entire disputed parts of the South China Sea, Chen said claimant-countries “should make joint efforts to transform the South China Sea into an area of peace, stability, cooperation and development.” http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nati...etnamese-expert |
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| ni84 | Oct 18 2011, 08:59 AM Post #1194 |
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China and the rest of the claimant nations know that we are all competing for the same thing and that is access to the hydrocarbons in the disputed islands. China knows it best that the SEA nations cannot be unified as we are bickering on the same thing, so how can we expect a unified front or proper conduct if we are all bickering on the same thing. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| superman | Oct 18 2011, 11:45 AM Post #1195 |
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During 70's & 80's interest with KIG is not this far, maybe some of them are just preoccupied with there internal affairs. But now it's really getting hotter I presume somebody has already confirmed a vast oil & gas reserve in the area, Of course we have Malampaya there but it doesn't mean the whole KIG is like Malampaya, Our own PNOC is still verifying some area though that's why they were discourage by China to look more as per previous incident happen. Our AFP has war experienced internally but not external and that is absolutely different scenario. |
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| ni84 | Oct 18 2011, 03:15 PM Post #1196 |
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It will become more hotter as the energy needs of China grows to explosive proportions the demand of its consumers will make China more determine than ever to gain access to the disputed islands vast energy pool. Not to mention the other claimants whose energy needs are growing as well. The question is not "IF" but "WHEN" this dispute will turn into a full blown regional conflict. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| matrix | Oct 19 2011, 12:37 AM Post #1197 |
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Navy ship scares off Chinese towing boat By Jaime Laude and Marichu Villanueva (The Philippine Star) Updated October 19, 2011 12:00 AM MANILA, Philippines - An “accidental” collision with a Navy gunboat on patrol in the West Philippine Sea yesterday forced a large Chinese fishing vessel to beat a hasty retreat, leaving behind 25 smaller boats it was towing. Navy chief Vice Admiral Alexander Pama confirmed the “freak” incident in the vicinity of Recto Bank but said Maj. Gen. Juancho Sabban, commander of the Western Command (Wescom), has the details of the incident. Wescom has jurisdiction over the waters covering the Recto Bank. “It was really an accident, not a hostile act when our ship was verifying the activity of the (Chinese) shipping boat,” Pama told The STAR from the US where he was on an official trip. He stressed the Navy gunboat experienced steering difficulty. The Chinese embassy has been informed of the incident, but the embassy spokesman said it has yet to confirm the report. “We have no report on that. We will verify,” said Deputy Chief of Political Section and spokesman Sun Yi. “It happened at about 6 a.m. within the vicinity of the Recto Bank involving our own PS-74 and a Chinese mother ship,” Sabban told The STAR in a telephone interview. “Our ship went to their direction to check as we normally do,” Pama also said. Recto Bank is within the country’s exclusive economic zone (EEZ) but is also among the islets in the hotly contested Spratlys Group, also being claimed in whole or in part by China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan. Sabban said the Navy’s PS-74 chanced upon the Chinese vessels and made a maneuver to take a closer look. “As our patrolling ship was approaching to check on the encroaching Chinese vessels, it incurred a steering problem and accidentally hit the mother ship of the Chinese fishermen,” Sabban said. He said big waves affected the ship’s steering, causing it to move uncontrollably toward the Chinese vessels. After being rammed by the Navy gunboat, the Chinese vessel quickly disengaged and released the smaller boats. “After cutting the towing line, the mother ship fled, leaving behind 25 sampans it was towing,” Sabban said. With its steering problem fixed, the gunboat towed the Chinese boats to Hulugan Bay in Palawan. But Pama said reports reaching him indicated that the captain of the Chinese vessel, thinking that the PS-74 was approaching to ram his boat, released the smaller boats and hurriedly sailed away. “So the fishing ship captain cut the towing ropes. So it was not a big accident really,” Pama said. Sabban also stressed there was no intention on the part of the patrolling Navy gunboat to harm or harass the Chinese fishing vessels and its crewmembers. The PS-74 returned to its port intact. “It was just a minor derangement,” Pama said. No Chinese fisherman was arrested, the Navy chief disclosed. Pama is in Newport, Rhode Island for the International Sea Power Symposia. He is presenting the Philippine papers at the symposia attended by chiefs of navies of 65 countries. He left Sunday and will return to Manila this weekend. The Department of Foreign Affairs called the incident “a little accident.” “The Chinese vessel strayed into our waters. As a result of the accident, the Chinese vessel left behind some small fishing boats in our possession, which we may consider returning,” DFA spokesperson Raul Hernandez said. Yesterday’s incident happened a day after the Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) officially opened an annual joint naval drill in the country. Dubbed as PHEBLIX (Amphibious Landing Exercises 2011), the joint naval drill would be held in an undisclosed area in the West Philippine Sea on Wednesday next week. At least 1,000 Filipino Marines and 2,000 US servicemen are taking part in this year’s joint naval drill being conducted on a yearly basis in line with the Mutual Defense Treaty (MDT) between the Philippines and the US. In March this year, two Chinese gunboats harassed a civilian research vessel commissioned by the Department of Energy (DOE) to conduct research and seismic studies in the Reed Bank Basin. The two Chinese gunboats were forced to leave the area when Wescom dispatched its OV-10 bombers in response to the distress calls from the DOE research vessel. The Spratly Islands Group is considered a potential regional flashpoint but there are ongoing efforts to resolve the territorial disputes peacefully. Taiwan, considered a renegade province by China, has made known its plan to install an advance missile system in Itu Aba, the biggest island in the island group that it occupies. The second biggest island, Pag-Asa is occupied by Filipino troops. – Pia Lee-Brago http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63 |
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| InkognitoAce | Oct 19 2011, 12:50 AM Post #1198 |
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Erm no. The two Chinese gunboats were long gone before the bombers even arrived. What were they to do anyway? Scare the Chinese by flying by? |
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| icefrog | Oct 19 2011, 05:23 AM Post #1199 |
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'China not keen on having binding code of conduct'
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63 |
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| ni84 | Oct 19 2011, 07:15 AM Post #1200 |
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This says all about the Chinese. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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