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| spearhead | Sep 29 2011, 07:53 PM Post #1121 |
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| flipzi | Sep 30 2011, 09:06 AM Post #1122 |
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Ramos cautions China vs moves in Spratlys by Rodney Jaleco, ABS-CBN North America News Bureau Posted at 09/29/2011 9:17 AM | Updated as of 09/29/2011 9:17 AM WASHINGTON D.C. - With China testing its first aircraft carrier and building a second, former President Fidel V. Ramos said China should be careful about its efforts to break the “strategic dominance” of the United States in the Asia-Pacific region. “China’s proximate aim is to limit American freedom of access” and “erode the credibility of Washington’s security guarantees to the East Asian states, including and especially the Philippines,” he told a standing-room-only gathering at The Heritage Foundation. Ramos, who is travelling across the US to promote his biography “Trustee of a Nation” written by Scott Thompson, said the Philippines has a role in helping preserve the balance of power in the region. "We, where we come from, expect South China Sea tensions to continue because the root cause is really China's perceived need to break out from under the strategic dominance of the Western allies," he explained. But he believes the current “irritants” will be short lived even as the South China Sea remains a tinderbox until “wiser leaders” achieve a “balance of mutual benefit.” He described the tensions over the Spratly Islands, which is claimed in part or in whole by China, the Philippines, Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia and Brunei, as “shadow boxing”. “They are shadow boxing. They’re doing this to get a reaction from you (the US) and if it’s negative enough, they will raise the ante and come out with some other more powerful irritant and it is going to escalate in this manner,” he predicted. Ramos said the Philippine was in the “fall-out area” of any superpower conflict in the region. “Any shooting incident at the 38th parallel (Korean Peninsula) or there in the Spratlys or maybe a bigger shooting incident between India and Pakistan would serve to paralyze commerce, travel and all kinds of economic activity,” he warned. That could potentially hurt China’s march to becoming the world’s newest superpower. Drawing from his experience as a soldier, Ramos said the first principle of war is to “know where you are going, what is the result you want.” He seemed to caution China that any miscalculation in dealing with the Spratly Islands dispute could have a devastating impact on the mainland over the long haul. “You have to look to the future and see what’s ahead but I think all that comes back to today, to getting the Chinese to behave responsibly,” said Walter Lohman, Director of the Asian Studies Center in The Heritage Foundation. “Sending naval or coast guard vessels up to the Philippine shoreline to assert its authority is not a cooperative way of going about it,” Lohman told the ABS-CBN North America News Bureau. There are fears the military equilibrium in the South China Sea might be disrupted when China deploys aircraft carriers there or starts deploying massive offshore oil platforms to pump oil and natural gas from the Spratly Islands. But Ramos seemed to reduce the chances of a military contest between the US and China, telling his audience that China’s 1st aircraft carrier was a discard from Russia because it was “vintage World War II”. Former US Ambassador to the Philippines Thomas Hubbard said President Aquino “is doing the right thing when he makes clear the Philippine interest (over the Spratlys) and dealing very directly with the Chinese.” Lohman said the Philippines-US Mutual Defense Treaty, which marked its 50th year last month, remains relevant to achieving the two nations’ objectives in the South China Sea. “The alliance is a factor in working through these issues in the South China Sea as much as it is to maintain balance in the region,” he said, “The US has to stay actively engaged in assessing (Philippine defense) needs, capacity and funding requirements to give the Philippines a voice in these debates.” http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/-depth/09/29/11...-moves-spratlys |
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| ni84 | Sep 30 2011, 09:22 AM Post #1123 |
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China to Ramos: Who U? You are nothing! |
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| migzky19 | Sep 30 2011, 10:01 AM Post #1124 |
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China nixes Japan role in Spratlys row from a report by Willard Cheng, ABS-CBN News Posted at 09/29/2011 10:36 PM | Updated as of 09/29/2011 10:36 PM MANILA, Philippines - China is opposing Japan's intervention on the issue of Beijing's territorial disputes in the West Philippine Sea. In an interview, Chinese Ambassador to the Philippines Liu Jianchao said the issue should be discussed between China and other claimant countries including the Philippines. He said a third party is not needed. "The South China Sea issue is an issue between China and some other claimant parties. So I don't really see any necessity of a third party getting involved in this matter. We have the wisdom to settle that," he said. During President Benigno Aquino's visit to Japan, Tokyo vowed to help the Philippine Coast Guard in patrolling the islands. Philippine and Japanese officials said Japan is also concerned about the freedom of navigation in the area, since their vessels ply the disputed waters. "Sumang-ayon din ang Japan sa ating adhikaing mapanatili ang kapayapaan sa usapin tungkol sa West Philippine Sea, at katuwang din natin sila sa pagsusulong ng Declaration on the Code of Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea," President Benigno Aquino said after arriving from his Japan state visit. China prefers bilateral negotiations with claimant countries and has also objected to the involvement of the United States. "I think that the most important thing and the most effective way to move about the dispute over the South China Sea is [for] the claimant parties [to] continue to have discussions, continue to have consultations on the issue of territorial dispute. No other countries can help. It must be the claimant parties," said Liu. Despite this, the Chinese envoy remains optimistic about Philippine-China relations. "As an English proverb goes, 'all is well with him who has a great neighborhood.' China does cherish it as a wealth to have the Philippines as one of its wonderful neighbors. By fostering friendship between our 2 countries and 2 peoples, centuries of peace and prosperity would follow," Liu said. China and Japan are also locked in a territorial dispute over the Senkaku/Diaoyutai islands in the East China Sea. - ANC |
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| icefrog | Sep 30 2011, 04:40 PM Post #1125 |
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You don't who Ramos is? He is the reason why we have the highest electricity rates right now in Asia. Same person that presided over the sale of Fort Bonifacio allegedly for AFP modernization but no one knows where the money has gone.
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| spearhead | Sep 30 2011, 08:05 PM Post #1126 |
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Agreed. FVR too is now a pain in the asss for being too unsupportive in spratly issue to think he used to serve in the military. He's a coward son of a biatch. |
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| tendatu | Sep 30 2011, 08:54 PM Post #1127 |
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China 'shadow-boxing' US at sea: Philippines' Ramos Philippine ex-president Fidel Ramos said Wednesday that China's recent assertiveness over sea disputes was motivated by a desire to challenge US power, as he predicted more tensions to come. On a visit to Washington, Ramos described China and the United States as "shadow-boxing" over the South China Sea and East China Sea where Beijing has growing friction with countries including the Philippines, Vietnam and Japan. "China's proximate aim, it seems to me, is to limit American freedom of access" and "erode the credibility of Washington's security guarantees to the East Asian states, including and especially the Philippines," Ramos, who was president from 1992 to 1998, said at the Heritage Foundation think-tank. "We, where we come from, expect South China Sea tensions to continue because the root cause is really China's perceived need to break out from under the strategic dominance of the Western allies," Ramos said. However, Ramos said he did not expect military confrontation due to the vast US military superiority over China. He called for governments to shift away spending from the military to fighting "real enemies" such as poverty. Ramos was visiting Washington as part of 60th anniversary commemorations of the Mutual Defense Treaty between Washington and its former colony. Elsewhere in the region, the United States also has security pacts with Australia, Japan, South Korea and Thailand.Ramos welcomed the role of the US military in Asia, saying it had provided security to Asia and allowed it to grow economically. Amid the tension with China, Philippine President Benigno Aquino has allocated 11 billion pesos ($252 million) to upgrade his country's navy, whose flagship vessel dates from World War II. http://news.yahoo.com/china-shadow-boxing-...eXBhZ2U-;_ylv=3 |
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| AVBsupersonic | Oct 1 2011, 02:20 AM Post #1128 |
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Gadfly prods China ‘elephant’ to punish PHL ‘mosquito’ in Spratlys row JM TUAZON, GMA News Friday, September 30, 2011 07:33 PM A Chinese columnist in a Beijing-sanctioned web site has called on China to wage “tiny-scale battles" against the Philippines and Vietnam as a warning against other claimants of the disputed Spratly Islands from making aggressive moves against China. In an opinion column published Thursday on the Chinese Communist Party-run web site Global Times, Long Tao called on China to launch military actions in the Spratlys to ward off other countries laying claim on the islands. Long Tao was identified as a strategic analyst at think tank China Energy Fund Committee. “For those who infringe upon our sovereignty to steal the oil, we need to warn them politely, and then take action if they don’t respond," Tao said. In particular, he issued stern warnings against Vietnam and the Philippines, which he said should be punished for acting “extremely aggressive" in the past months. Tao called the Philippines a pretentiously weak and innocent “mosquito" that is supposedly not afraid of the Chinese “elephant," adding that China must only refrain from attacking “if mosquitoes behave well." “But it seems like we have a completely different story now given the mosquitoes even invited an eagle (referring to the United States) to come to their ambitious party. I believe the constant military drill and infringement provide no better excuse for China to strike back," he added. Tao pointed out that China is not afraid of going to war over the disputed islands since none of the more than 1,000 oil and gas wells and other facilities in the area were built by the Chinese. “Everything will be burned to the ground should a military conflict break out. Who’ll suffer most when Western oil giants withdraw?" he stressed. A 2010 report by VERA Files, however, pointed out that China has constructed a lighthouse on Subi Reef, one of the islands in the disputed area. Under international law, a lighthouse is a recognized base point from where a state can measure its maritime regimes, including territorial sea (12 nautical miles from the baseline), contiguous zone (24 nm), economic exclusive zone (200 nm), continental shelf (200 nm) and extended continental shelf (350nm), the report noted. Additionally, in 1999, the Philippines claimed that the Chinese structures discovered on “Mischief Reef" had been built for military purposes, which China had denied. Spratlys gearing up In his column, Tao lamented that other claimants of the islands in the area have been upgrading and stockpiling their arsenals. “Singapore brings home high-end stealth aircraft while Australia, India and Japan are all stockpiling arms for a possible ‘world-class’ battle. The US, provoking regional conflict itself, did not hesitate to meet the demands of all of the above," he said. However, China has also ramped up its military spending, even finishing the construction of its first aircraft carrier in July, which will be ready for sea trials by the end of the year. The Philippines, for its part, has bought a 378-foot, second-hand US Coast Guard cutter, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, its largest warship to date. “However, being rational and restrained will always be our guidance on this matter. We should make good preparations for a small-scale battle while giving the other side the option of war or peace," Tao clarified. ‘Sea of Friendship’ Following his visit to China in early September, President Benigno Aquino III said that the two countries have agreed on the need for a South China Sea “code of conduct" in order to prevent rising tensions coming from all fronts, which could potentially lead to war. “They actually even responded that there should be an implementing agreement already for the code of conduct in the South China Sea or the West Philippine Sea. That is very significant," Aquino said. In July, China and Southeast Asian countries agreed on a preliminary set of guidelines in the South China Sea, a rare sign of cooperation in a row that has plagued relations in the region for years. Such perceived benevolence from the two countries even led to an agreement that they will call the Spratly Islands an area of “friendship and cooperation." “Both sides were very positive in addressing the issue of the South China Sea," Presidential Spokesperson Edwin Lacierda had said. People’s Daily commentary In August, People's Daily, the government agency responsible for the publication of Global Times, ran a similar commentary warning the Philippines for allegedly infringing on China's sovereignty. The commentary on People’s Daily Online titled “Some countries will pay for misjudging China’s sovereignty," said, “Manila obviously lacks the sincerity to peacefully address the South China Sea issue." The Chinese newspaper said the Philippines has been calling for a peaceful resolution to the Spratlys dispute. However, the newspaper noted that “it was reported that the Philippine military constructed this building to guard the disputed waters to shelter itself in case of bad weather. This move has severely violated the ‘Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea.’" The Declaration of Conduct is a “stop-gap" measure agreed upon by the disputant states with an eye on a more authoritative and binding Code of Conduct. “The behavior of the Philippines is the invasion of China’s territory and also the destruction of the ASEAN position," it added. — MRT/HS, GMA News http://m.gmanews.tv/story/233918/gadfly-pr...in-spratlys-row I think Mr Tao forgot one most important thing to consider, that these MOSQUITOES he's talking about are all carrying "DENGUE!" Unless the Elephant he's talking about is "Elephant KATOL?" but if not, we'll suck your blood dry and give you a dose of DENGUE!
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| migzky19 | Oct 1 2011, 07:47 AM Post #1129 |
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Asia: United States: Beijing: justifiable war against Vietnam and the Philippines, for South China Sea According to one Chinese analyst, there is "logical, beneficial and good reasons" to unleash a war in the Asia-Pacific. His article trends on the web and has the support of many Internet users. Japan and the Philippines promote a common front, Vietnam revives anti-Chinese nationalism. Taiwan Article Tools Discuss Beijing - Beijing should punish the Philippines and Vietnam, for claims made on the disputed islands in the South China Sea, according to one political analyst and expert on Chinese energy. Long Tao claims that there are "logical, beneficial and good reasons" to unleash a war in the Asia-Pacific. In a commentary published in the Global Times – a newspaper close to the Communist Party - Long emphasizes that the Spratly and Paracel Islands are "the ideal battlefield " for small-scale wars. In confirmation of his thesis, he rattles off several reasons in favour of war because "China has nothing to lose." An analyst of the non-governmental China Energy Fund Committee, Long calls for a " moral education expedition" against nations - including Vietnam and the Philippines - which are making similar claims in the area. He apparently is unconcerned about the possible reaction of the United States, he said, are " is fundamentally unable to start a second war in the South China Sea. " and its "rigid" position is stamped by the analyst as "a bluff". The article by Long Tao immediately trended on the net, receiving at least 2 thousand messages of support among the Chinese internet users in a few hours. For the moment no official position has been taken by military experts, with deep ties and knowledge of the Chinese army, it is a "sensitive issue" because it promotes a policy of war that is contrary to the "peaceful" development so far pursued by the leadership in Beijing. A retired colonel of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), on condition of anonymity, reports that war will be "inevitable", if Vietnam and the Philippines "push China into a corner." To cope with the increased aggression of China, Manila and Tokyo have promoted a "mutual agreement" reaffirming the "vital interests" of the two countries in the region. On 27 September the Japanese prime minister Yoshihiko Noda, and Philippine President Benigno Aquino signed a document aimed to strengthen naval cooperation. Noda reiterated that the two nations share "core values and strategic interests." Aquino, devoted to "peaceful dialogue" with Beijing, added Manila’s interest in "cooperation with Tokyo on maritime security issues." Taiwan has also entered the fray: after a period spent on the sidelines, the government of Taipei raised the issue of its possession of a part of the Spratly. The Defense Ministry will work in accordance with the National Coast Guard, to strengthen security on the island of Taiping, the only area to enjoy water sources, even installing heavy weapons and artillery. Recently the Chinese government repeatedly invoked Taipei’s collaboration, but so far the administration led by Ma Ying-jeou has snubbed the Chinese demands. Now an agreement between the two can not be ruled out, with them forming a united front against the nations of Southeast Asia. Meanwhile, Vietnam seems bent on riding nationalist anti-Chinese sentiment. Beijing's aggressiveness has led to the emergence of a common front, including - unprecedentedly - veterans from the South during the war, linked to the pro-American regime in Saigon. More and more intellectuals and activists in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City seem willing to put aside old divisions, conflicts and grudges, to create a "united front" against the powerful neighbour. Attacks against Vietnamese boats, the seizure of boats by the Chinese navy, are judged as a threat to the security and independence of the nation and trigger the reaction of a proud people in claiming their independence. Among the nations of the Asia-Pacific region, China has the most extensive claims in the South China Sea, which includes the uninhabited Spratly and Paracel Islands, with rich fishing grounds and important oil and gas reserves. Beijing’s claims also reflect its strategic goal of hegemonic control over trade and mineral development, above all oil and natural gas. Chinese demands have not gone unchallenged. Contenders include Vietnam, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei and Taiwan, as well as the United States, which has its own strategic interests in the region. Washington, in particular, is quietly moving a network of alliances to contain China's expansionism. The Philippines and Japan in the first place, but also Vietnam could become precious allies in a ever looming possibility of open conflict in the Asia-Pacific. |
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| spearhead | Oct 1 2011, 08:39 AM Post #1130 |
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f--k china and enough trash talking, just do it if they want to. Their policy makers are bunch of greedy idiots anyway.
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