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| ni84 | Sep 20 2011, 09:05 AM Post #1111 |
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I think the reason why China is so reactive is that they have created a self-impose inferiority complex that has been bred into them for many generations. They view anything that might be a threat to their fragile ego. I am just stating this because of my background in Psychology and my love of international studies. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| ni84 | Sep 20 2011, 09:07 AM Post #1112 |
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That close to Vietnam and this is making China crazy, give me a break. Sooner or later China will be force to face off with powerful conventional forces and if they continue to be aggressive the day may come that every SE Asian nation may acquire and deploy nuclear weapons to stop them. |
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We shall not fail or falter; we shall not weaken or tire...Give us the tools and we will finish the job. Sir Winston Churchill, BBC radio broadcast, 1941 We'll settle this the old navy way: first guy to die, loses. President Thomas 'Tug' Benson, Hot Shots! Part Deux ![]() Raketnye voyska strategicheskogo naznacheniya Rossiyskoy Federatsii 15,000 nukes and enough for another 40,000 | |
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| flipzi | Sep 20 2011, 01:40 PM Post #1113 |
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The Chinese idea is that if the oil field is wide enough to extend into the international waters or a contested area, China may try to build its oil-rig first and siphon off all the oil reserves before Vietnam does. Since they are drilling in the international waters or in a contested area and that oil deposit is connected to that of Vietnam, it will not just deplete the oil deposit in the easternmost part but also the deposits in westernmost part that sits right deep within Vietnam's territory. This is another way of cheating and bullying. The political pressure is China's way to delay the oil extraction by Vietnam. When China drills first, there'll be less deposit for Vietnam to collect. China wants it all for itself alone. Just my view though. |
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| Tsukiyomi | Sep 22 2011, 01:45 AM Post #1114 |
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Flipzi, I think you are very right in this. I remember reading years back that the chicoms were trying to pull the same crap with the Japanese over the senkakus. The Chinese knew these islands existed but they never gave a damn until after the Japanese had already controllled the area for decades. This resurgence of interest only came about after oil was discovered. Now the Chinese are drilling in adjacent areas to siphon off as much as they can. Greed does not make a claim valid. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Sep 22 2011, 04:15 AM Post #1115 |
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DFA to propose 'enclaving' of disputed areas in South China Sea 09/21/2011 | 06:56 PM The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) has prepared a proposal to ‘enclave’ disputed areas in the South China Sea and separate them from those parts not in dispute. The proposal comes as the ASEAN Maritime Legal Experts’ Meeting convenes Thursday in Manila to take up the Zone of Peace, Freedom, Friendship and Cooperation (ZoPFF/C), which the Philippines presented at the ASEAN Regional Forum last August in Bali, Indonesia. “(E)nclaving will literally operationalize the ‘shelving of territorial disputes’ and pave the way for effective and meaningful cooperation among the claimant countries in the West Philippine Sea (or) South China Sea," the DFA proposal said. “Maritime legal experts from the ten Member States of ASEAN — Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Lao PDR, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam — will meet to discuss the Philippine proposal for ZoPFF/C in the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea)," the DFA said in a statement Thursday. The DFA noted that the meeting stemmed from “the decision of the ASEAN Foreign Ministers at the 44th ASEAN Foreign Ministers' Meeting (AMM) in Bali for the ASEAN Senior Officials to study the proposal with the assistance of maritime legal experts." Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario had explained during the ARF (ASEAN Regional Forum) in Bali that the first option in a segregation process “will have to be vetted by the ASEAN maritime legal experts." The experts’ meeting will be at the Hotel Sofitel Philippine Plaza in Pasay City. “Its findings will be reported to the ASEAN Senior Officials' Meeting (ASEAN SOM), which will then make recommendations for the ASEAN Foreign Ministers to consider before the 19th ASEAN Summit in November 2011 in Bali," the DFA said. — ELR/VS, GMA News http://www.gmanews.tv/story/233028/nation/...GMANewsFacebook |
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| icefrog | Sep 27 2011, 03:23 PM Post #1116 |
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Phl, Japan eye free Spratlys sea lanes
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| Mckoyzzz | Sep 29 2011, 03:05 AM Post #1117 |
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FROM A CHINESE ENGLISH-LANGUAGE NEWSPAPER
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| Mckoyzzz | Sep 29 2011, 03:18 AM Post #1118 |
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ASEAN's united front against China does not exist (Global Times) 08:20, September 26, 2011 The Philippines convened a regional meeting Thursday in Manila, pushing ASEAN countries to form a united front against China over the disputed waters of the South China Sea. The Philippines has lost its cool over the territorial disputes. It clamors for a united ASEAN front to blunt China, which appears to be a diplomatic illusion. On significant issues concerning territory and sovereignty, China will not scale back its claims and submit to external pressure. During the meeting, maritime legal experts neither endorsed the plan for joint South China Sea development, nor confirmed the legal basis for the Philippine proposal. Two ASEAN members, Cambodia and Laos, did not even send delegates to the meeting. Such facts demonstrate the lack of consensus within ASEAN. There is no collective will to unite and confront China, especially among those who have no part in the South China Sea dispute. Before Philippine President Benigno Aquino III's current visit to Japan, diplomats from both countries had engaged in talks over the South China Sea dispute. Backed by the US, the Philippines now tries to involve more regional players like Japan to collectively check China. But such efforts will be fruitless. Some regional countries may want to use the Philippines to balance China. But generally, the strategic significance of their relationship with China will overwhelm their need to play up to the Philippines. However, they will understand the potential risks if they become involved in the dispute. Seeking a united regional stance to isolate China and, by doing so, win concessions will only prove futile. The Philippines has to return to bilateral negotiations over the disputed waters. The Philippines plays the regional meeting as a card. Nevertheless, if the Philippines really wants a showdown over the South China Sea issue, China has many more cards to play. The ASEAN countries, who sent delegates to discuss the Philippine proposal, have their own anxieties and problems with China. They will not step into the conflict and conform to the Philippine requirements. Even the Philippines itself does not want its dispute to escalate. Just three weeks ago during his visit to China, Aquino stressed his desire for peaceful dialogue over territorial disputes. The Philippines does not have the willpower to sacrifice its relationship with China and become involved in an armed standoff. Seeking ASEAN help to isolate China is pure nationalist fantasy. http://english.people.com.cn/90780/7605026.html |
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| Mckoyzzz | Sep 29 2011, 03:19 AM Post #1119 |
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Ulterior motives lie behind 'Asia-minus-one' concept By Wang Yusheng (Beijing Daily) 16:22, September 27, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online Some international media agencies are playing up the concept of "Asia-minus-one," claiming that an "invisible alliance" involving the United States is coming into being around China to prevent "invasions" from China. Two concepts of "Asia-minus-one" and "invisible alliance" are seemingly new, yet they are only "variants" of the stereotyped "Asian NATO" concept in a new situation. However, the emergence of the two concepts is not accidental. Each party concerned has its own "intentions." In terms of the United States, first, it aims to create a "macro scenario" that "the United States cannot leave," showing its strategy of "not being the second largest power in Asia". Second, it attempts to strengthen its control over its allies, such as Japan and the Republic of Korea, and stop them from deviating from the alliance. Third, the United States wants to keep the ASEAN from establishing too close ties with China, while marginalizing it. Fourth, it has indirectly provided small countries around China with moderate support or tacit consent to compete for rights and interests or clash with China. The United States has adopted various means to play up the "China threat theory" and stir up the trouble. For instance, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton urged India during her recent visit to the country to not only "look east," but also make more efforts to develop its leadership in the Asia-Pacific region. Japan is not willing to see that China exceeds it in terms of GDP and is also worried about the co-dominance of China and the United States in the Asia-Pacific region. Moreover, Japan's right wing continues to advocate the Cold War ideology, tries to create a certain "peace and prosperity sphere" to counter China and even preach Japan's cooperation with ASEAN to contain the China's alleged "maritime invasion." Therefore, Japan coordinates with the United States for forming a "covert alliance" in order to advance its status and weaken China. Vietnam, the Philippines and other countries also want to become stronger with the help of the United Stated in order to contain China and get more leverage to bargain with China. Such thinking of these countries is understandable, but basically, this is only their own wishful thinking and not practical. Although the United States is powerful, it understands that it is no longer the super power as before and that it cannot persist in its old ways and do anything it wants. The United States adopts a "two-way" strategy to China because it also needs China's cooperation and support. With Chinese president Hu Jintao's visit to the United States, the new orientation of the bilateral relationship (mutual respect, cooperation and win-win partnership) and the establishment of an Asia-Pacific affairs consultation mechanism, the United States should adjust and control its policies and behaviors if it can realize the reality and wants to keep its promises. The United States should make more efforts on the positive side, not inversely. More importantly, China follows a path of peaceful development, adheres to an independent diplomatic policy and seeks friendly relations with neighboring countries. Chinese leaders have made great achievements in creating a harmonious neighborhood in recent years thanks to the country's rising comprehensive national strength. China, which takes a firm stand on the protection of its rights and interests, has been rather self-restrained and pragmatic in this respect and has been hoping to resolve disputes with certain countries through friendly talks and other peaceful means. If relevant countries consider it to be China's weakness or perceive it as fear of the United State, and hope to take on China by joining the "invisible alliance," they would be misreading the situation and misjudging China's position and policies. Their risky actions would not only damage the peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region but also harm their own fundamental interests. |
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| Mckoyzzz | Sep 29 2011, 03:21 AM Post #1120 |
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China needs stronger case in South China Sea issue By Ding Gang (Global Times) 17:01, September 26, 2011 Edited and Translated by People's Daily Online It has made a lot of people in China extremely indignant that India is actively participating in oil and gas exploitation with Vietnam in a part of the South China Sea that is within China's territorial waters. While answering the questions regarding this issue, the spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China restated China's consistent stance: China opposes any prospecting or exploitation activity by any country of any oil and gas that lies in China's territorial waters. However, after I checked all the related reports published by India, Vietnam and China, I still did not find any specific proof proving that the exploitation by Vietnam violates China's territorial waters. The spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of China did not make any specific explanation either. In fact, everything on this issue looks obscure. First, the statement made by Vietnam was obscure. The authority of Vietnam has repeated many times that "this area" is within its dominion. But, which area or areas is “this area?” Where is it on the map? There are still no answers for these questions. All I have found is only two code numbers: 127 and 128. India stated that this project does not involve China's territorial waters, and that was also a vague statement. Some Chinese media said that the two areas are located in the waters around the Nansha Islands. But from the distribution map of Vietnam's blocks in the South China Sea on the Internet, it is hard to find an area that is close to the Nansha Islands and conflicts with the nine-dotted line. Both of these two viewpoints have not been clearly confirmed by the authority or a research institute, and therefore they are obscure too. So far, I have not seen any specific report made by the media on Vietnam's exploitation in this area. Vietnam and India of course want it to be uncertain because the more unclear it is, the easier it is for them to carry out the exploitation. Vietnam even has made some practical progresses of exploitation in this uncertain situation. However, China is different, and China must make it clear. China's related departments should open the detailed geographical materials on this issue to the public, and China should require Vietnam and India to offer the map showing the specific position of the area because it is a sensitive area, and if Vietnam and India have violated China's territorial waters and therefore broken the Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea and the guideline for the implementation of the declaration, they should let the world know. In recent years, as the South China Sea dispute was intensifying, the media of the Untied States, Western countries and some countries around the South China Sea were also creating the China Threat Theory based on it. One of the tricks they have played many times is to censure China by saying that China regards the South China Sea as its inland lake as they did after this incident occurred. Some foreign media stated that China said that history has proven that China has the right to claim the sovereignty of the entire South China Sea. We must always be highly vigilant against the trap of trying to put a label of hegemony on China. China's media should avoid calling the South China Sea "China's South China Sea" and should not regard all the activities carried out by other countries in the South China Sea as violations of China's core interests. Instead of dealing with it in a low-key and vague way, China's related departments should show clearer proofs to the world regarding the issue of other countries violating China's sovereignty by exploiting the South China Sea. The South China Sea issue must be solved peacefully. China should not join the other countries to play hide-and-seek forever. If it is ours, we will not give up an inch. If it is not ours, we will not accept an inch. It should not be obscure at all where the line should be drawn. |
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