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Naval wargame
Topic Started: Jan 8 2005, 05:04 PM (837 Views)
sangsum
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if you are tasked to patrol the spratly islands, how will you make up your fleet?

what ships are best applicable to the area and against known enemy forces , composition and tactics..
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Numbers
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:demon: I'm going to lease the entire US 7th Fleet and clean up the whole SCS in less than a week...
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Hey RT, will that lease also include an option to buy? :armyLol:
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maniegom
Jan 9 2005, 07:00 AM
Hey RT, will that lease also include an option to buy? :armyLol:

Certainly, especially if the terms are very favorable - to us. :aberet:

One little two little three little four little...

Behind every successful man, there is a woman
And behind every unsuccessful man, there are two.

A bus station is where a bus stops.
A train station is where a train stops.
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this is all you can manage.......funny one-liners??? :armyhuh:
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Well Sangsum, this topic has been discussed a lot of times. I respectfully submit to you that you yourself know what kind of ships, aircrafts, tactics and composition of forces that need to be deployed for such a mission. I attached the following links for your review. If you will concur, tell me what you think?

http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/ice/spratly.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spratly_Islands
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MY honest answer is:

I do not know.
The question presumes intimacy with the local military resources/postue of rival claimants, and I have it not. I'm not above a little lazy, speculative fun, however...

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I'd probably go for
1 or 2 baby LHA each bearing a max complement of 700 PMC and NSWAG dispensing them via LRHIB's and three CB90 out the stern gate; the topdeck dispensing 4 LAMPs helo, 4 light attack helo, accepting 1 cargo-lift helo and (for kicks) 2 VTOL fixed-wing tuboprop high endurance MPA/ASW. Full sensory suite, with ESSM, SAM and three Phalanx. I'd want two such baby LHA's, even if one alone did the job. Service and maintenance rotation, di ba? Besides ...why not two? These ships can actually be converted from tankers with great expense.

2-3 guided-missile escorts for aforementioned LHA, each escort with usual SSM, ESSM, SAM, ASW torps and requisite full sensory suite. One ASW helo deck astern. Only one such ship is really needed to escort an LHA, but it's good to have a spare for service cycling. These ships could be bought or eased.

2-3 hybrid vessel SLPV (SemiLittoral PV 1300-1900 tons, with a 45-90 day endurance depending on displacement=storage of provision and fuel) 72mm DP bow gun, 4 25mm, 4 SSM plus typical SAM and ESSM array, and stern ASW helo deck. Starboard and Port recesses in the deck for 2 crane lifted RHIB. Troop complement of 22, inculding helo crew. These ships must operate fully into Sea State Condition 7, and survive all sea states. These ships aren't really for the Spratly's per se, but for general western patrol which overlaps the Spratly area. These ships would have to be ordered or built here. The design is quite unconventional.

14 lightly-armed fast-supply ships, and a small squadron of PAF sealift helo, to tend to and resupply the foregoing fleet and the islands. Built locally

1-2 SSK. though the craft's utilty is severely compromised by the shallow waters of the area, it's a comforting thought to have them there...somewhere.

Existing PN patrol craft can rotate in and out of theater, and should.

Lastly
7 unsinkable aircraft carriers, bombproof runways and bunkered hangars.
Full missile and sensory arrays/listening gear, and baby port facilities.
Stationed complement of very small, fast patrol craft with torpedoes.
I'm of course talking about the islands and occupied reefs themselves, but will
avoid detailed discussion, as departs idle speculation and compromises national security.

If anyone want conceptual sketches of the new-class vessels described above,
for laughs, I'd be happy to post them. Heck, I think I'll sketch 'em now and add them to this post.
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I'm almost the same Horge, but considering how volatile this area is, it would be very easy for me to name and describe the certain tactical needs we would need to have, but I must base myself upon what we got. To base on what we need would be easy and I could just ramble on from there.

Now if you want it, of course early warning radar posts aside from sonar stations that would both befit not only the military but also the civilian side of the house for future needs. My best platforms would be (IAW what we can afford) OPV's with above the horizon misslie capabilities along with fast attack crafts with missile and torpedoe capabilities and CIWS defense and flares for their own protection. MRF A/C's and also those P-3C's for a start. Just like RT's reccomendations of leasing the whole US 7th Fleet will of course do the job perfectly.

But now let's face reality about what can we afford at the moment? As I said before, I believe that if the PN and PAF will just have the money to acquire such, let's all base this on the PT boat war tactics in WWII except with the new modern equipment in combination with air power. What do you think?
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Originally posted bymaniegom
I'm almost the same Horge, but considering how volatile this area is, it would be very easy for me to name and describe the certain tactical needs we would need to have, but I must base myself upon what we got. To base on what we need would be easy and I could just ramble on from there...

...But now let's face reality about what can we afford at the moment? As I said before, I believe that if the PN and PAF will just have the money to acquire such, let's all base this on the PT boat war tactics in WWII except with the new modern equipment in combination with air power. What do you think?


maniegom, :)

As my earlier post indicated, I am uncomfortable discussing location-specific deployment, strategy and tactics of actual AFP assets on so public a discussion venue.

Sensitive information aside, there is human sensitivity also at work.
The military assets discussed, if specified by present time and furthermore by place, can no longer be faceless: those are real Filipino men and women we will be talking about, and since their lives are at stake for our sake here and today, it might be particularly careless to armchair-general how their lives here and today ARE put at stake. I honor them too much to discuss them like chits on a boardgame.

So yes... idle procurement wish-lists, with or without fiscal considerations... sure.
General, discussion of security concerns, sure.
Dissection and second guessing of present-day assets and deployment?
Not for me, though it's a free country and others may pursue it...

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i went to the wikipedia link that maniegom posted and it said that there are 100 Philippine troops stationed there...100 is not much you know and a determined assault could easily overcome their defenses

a really tight situation considering the distance from the nearest large resupply base and the lack of adequate transport
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