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Time for PAF to build their own planes ?
Topic Started: Jan 8 2005, 12:43 AM (1,829 Views)
Viking
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Couldent this be something for PAF ??

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Another project, is that of Naval Aircraft construction, begun in January 1999 and undertaken by Mexican naval engineers. This is the first step towards the aeronaval fabrication process in Mexico with the use of materials such as fiberglass, carbon fibers and graphite, undetectable by radar. The constructors, assigned to the Mexican Navy (24 sailors in 3 groups of 8 elements each) trained in the United States, with the Abaris Training Company in Reno, Nevada on the fabrication and reparation of composite materials, and with the Lancair Aircraft Company (Lanc, from the aircraft designer's last name) in Aircraft fabrication; with these training classes the Mexican Navy acquired in 1999 the technology needed for the construction of this type of aircraft.

Each airplane seats 4 and the time employed for their construction constitutes a world record: the first one, a Lancair IV P was built in 9 months, with a monetary investment of $200,000. and it will be employed for advanced training at the Naval Aviation School and to support maritime coast patrols; the second unit, a Lancair Super ES was built in three months with a monetary investment of $125,000
http://www.laahs.com/art91.htm

http://www.lancair-kits.com/

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Lancair IV
Engine:Cont. TSIO-550
Horsepower:350 H.P. @2700 Rpm
Length:25 Ft.
Wingspan:30.2 Ft. (32.2 Ft. with optional wingletts)
G Loading:(+4.4 -2.2 G's utility)(+3.8 -2.0 G's normal)
Empty Weight:2000 Lbs. (2200 Lbs. pressurized)
Gross Weight: 3550 Lbs.
Fuel Capacity:90 Gal. (110 Gal. with extended tanks)
Useful Load:1550 Lbs. (1350 Lbs. pressurized)
Seats:4
Cruise: (typical)330 Mph @ 24,000'
Takeoff Distance:1500 Ft. (gross @ sea level)
Maximum Range 1550 Sm (with reserves)
Kit price:$82,900.00 (non-pressurized)
$107,900.00 (pressurized)
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Engine:Walter 601D
Horsepower:708 H.P. @ sea level
Length:26 Ft.
Wingspan:30.2 Ft.
G Loading:(+4.4 -2.2 Gs normal)
Empty Weight:2200 Lbs.
Gross Weight:3550 Lbs
Fuel Capacity:125 Gal.
Useful Load:1350 Lbs.
Seats: 2 (tandem)
Cruise: (typical)380 Mph @ 26,000'
Takeoff Distance:1500 Ft.
Maximum Range:1150 Sm (with Reserves)
Rate Of Climb:
4000 Fpm

Kit price:$119,900.0

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horge
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It hurts to tell it, Viking...

There was a time when the PADC (Philippine Aerospace Development Corp) had designed and was building a fixed-wing Tucano-like light plane (for trainer/attack duty),
the Defiant 300. Unfortunately a certain President axed the project, when one flying prototype had already been built. The prototype was of wood and fiberglass construction, and there was considerable work remaining on to the final design in aluminum and steel, with all specified hardpoints for weapons pods. The on-spec, production Defiant 300trainer/attack plane looks like it would have cost a mere PhP 24 Million apiece today, sans weapons. Tucano-like performance was the general spec aimed for:

Embraer EMB 312 Tucano
Max Speed: 242kt / 278 mph
Max Range range 1944 km / 1,146 miles
Dimensions: span 11.14 m / 36 ft 6.6 in
length 9.86 m / 32 ft 4.2 in
height 3.40 m / 11 ft 1.9 in
Weight: empty 1810 kg / 3,990 Ib
max. take-off 3175 kg / 7,000 Ib

The PADC was also assembling a subtle variation on the rotary wing Eurocopter BO-105, the Hummingbird. When it got wind of this, Eurocopter threatened suit (rightly so), forcing PADC to quit. The BO-105 is a suitable, if light, multirole platform --especially for ship-based application.

The capability is there, for kit-building, and even more so for developing and building new designs.
Restaring PADC's projects would take, I'm guessing about PhP79 Million, and political support.
PhP 79 Million. That's less than US$ 1.5 Million, with each Defiant/Centennial only US$430k.
A mere pittance, really. That, and political will are all that's needed.
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well there was one person who tried to be entrepreneurial about this, but his projects got mired in politics and corruption, lost his top and took over the NAIA tower, tsk...tsk...he was shot of course.

this is how our govt support people who wnated to develop the country's self sufficiency
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No sarcasm intended Kabayans. Building our own planes? We cant even built our own service rifle :armycry: we always rely on dole-outs from USA. IMHO we should start from the smallest projcts and build up from there. I believe in the ingenuity of pinoys but once its been smeared by politics and corruption it will definitly go down hill. Nag papaliwanag lang po.
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the philippine national police operates those Lancair planes too fabricated locally in the Philiipines. no big deal
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Sultan LapuLapu
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meron ding Italian canguoro or canguro transport aircraft that was also locally fabricated. binili rin ng PNP. na-crash yata yung isa e .
meron ding Ecureil at Robinson helicopters yung PNP
kung ayaw ninyo maniwala, ask the PNP aviation group tungkol sa Canguro, Lancair, Robinson at Ecureil.
ang PNP meron ding army-ito yung mga regional at provincial mobile groups. meron ding special forces ang PNP-ito yung SAF brigade-pang jungle fighting at anti-coupal, SWAT-pang urban warfare, antihijacking and K-9 bomb sniffing--Aviation pulis commandos
at ang PNP meron ding Navy- MARICOM(maritime command)-meron silang mga 50 na motor bancas at mga 30 to 40 speedboats
masyado ninyo iniismol ang ating mga hukbo . totoo nagkakalat yan sila e sino ba ang hindi? e yung mga kano ay nagkakalat din naman a .ang dami dami na nilang namamatay sa irak . yung mga russian-ayan namamatay din araw-araw sa chechnya
yung mga hayupang komunistang insik, pagsinubukan nila ang ating hukbo sa palawan ay siguradong magiging pula ang mga ilog at baybayin ng palawan sa dugo ng mga hayupang komunistang mga squatter sa mischief reef!!
alam ko tumatawa lang kayo diyan. abangan na lang ninyo at tingnan natin kung hindi iiyak itung mga taka Peking for the next 1000 years. yung mga ulo, atay at puso nila ay kakainin ng mga vigilanteng CVO.





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One problem with the hummingbird was it really look like a BO-105 thats why eurocopter squeak had they PADC revolutionized it to look diffrently that project would have continued. For the defiant 300/500 that aircraft should have been supported we could have by now a tucano-like attack turbo-prop. There was a super pinto that uses the engines of the F-5's license built also but was also scrap reason unknown. These projects would have made the Air Force self reliant but politics in the govt lack of support virtually killed it.

But given the right admin that prospect could easily take off the blue prints are there, kits and templates are also preserved it would need only a few years to make one aircraft flying. Maybe whats needed is little prodding from the Air Force to emphazise their desire to be self reliant.
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Build prop driven COIN type aircraft first then move on from there. :thumb:
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gt6282
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Bakit tayo masyado aasa sa government? kung private sector kaya maginitiate nito?...

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gt6282
May 13 2005, 11:08 AM
Bakit tayo masyado aasa sa government? kung private sector kaya maginitiate nito?...

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What businessman would risk his own capital to build an airplane for a government with a track record of not paying?

Who will subsidize the cost of RD and construction of the prototypes?

Why should the Philippine government pay for something it didn't ask for?
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