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| Time for PAF to build their own planes ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 8 2005, 12:43 AM (1,831 Views) | |
| Viking | Jan 8 2005, 12:43 AM Post #1 |
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Couldent this be something for PAF ??http://www.laahs.com/art91.htm http://www.lancair-kits.com/
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| horge | Jan 8 2005, 07:59 AM Post #2 |
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It hurts to tell it, Viking... There was a time when the PADC (Philippine Aerospace Development Corp) had designed and was building a fixed-wing Tucano-like light plane (for trainer/attack duty), the Defiant 300. Unfortunately a certain President axed the project, when one flying prototype had already been built. The prototype was of wood and fiberglass construction, and there was considerable work remaining on to the final design in aluminum and steel, with all specified hardpoints for weapons pods. The on-spec, production Defiant 300trainer/attack plane looks like it would have cost a mere PhP 24 Million apiece today, sans weapons. Tucano-like performance was the general spec aimed for: Embraer EMB 312 Tucano Max Speed: 242kt / 278 mph Max Range range 1944 km / 1,146 miles Dimensions: span 11.14 m / 36 ft 6.6 in length 9.86 m / 32 ft 4.2 in height 3.40 m / 11 ft 1.9 in Weight: empty 1810 kg / 3,990 Ib max. take-off 3175 kg / 7,000 Ib The PADC was also assembling a subtle variation on the rotary wing Eurocopter BO-105, the Hummingbird. When it got wind of this, Eurocopter threatened suit (rightly so), forcing PADC to quit. The BO-105 is a suitable, if light, multirole platform --especially for ship-based application. The capability is there, for kit-building, and even more so for developing and building new designs. Restaring PADC's projects would take, I'm guessing about PhP79 Million, and political support. PhP 79 Million. That's less than US$ 1.5 Million, with each Defiant/Centennial only US$430k. A mere pittance, really. That, and political will are all that's needed. |
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| ctrlaltdel | Jan 8 2005, 11:12 AM Post #3 |
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well there was one person who tried to be entrepreneurial about this, but his projects got mired in politics and corruption, lost his top and took over the NAIA tower, tsk...tsk...he was shot of course. this is how our govt support people who wnated to develop the country's self sufficiency |
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| snipe | Feb 6 2005, 04:35 AM Post #4 |
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No sarcasm intended Kabayans. Building our own planes? We cant even built our own service rifle we always rely on dole-outs from USA. IMHO we should start from the smallest projcts and build up from there. I believe in the ingenuity of pinoys but once its been smeared by politics and corruption it will definitly go down hill. Nag papaliwanag lang po.
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| Sultan LapuLapu | Feb 6 2005, 12:54 PM Post #5 |
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the philippine national police operates those Lancair planes too fabricated locally in the Philiipines. no big deal |
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| Sultan LapuLapu | Feb 6 2005, 01:14 PM Post #6 |
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meron ding Italian canguoro or canguro transport aircraft that was also locally fabricated. binili rin ng PNP. na-crash yata yung isa e . meron ding Ecureil at Robinson helicopters yung PNP kung ayaw ninyo maniwala, ask the PNP aviation group tungkol sa Canguro, Lancair, Robinson at Ecureil. ang PNP meron ding army-ito yung mga regional at provincial mobile groups. meron ding special forces ang PNP-ito yung SAF brigade-pang jungle fighting at anti-coupal, SWAT-pang urban warfare, antihijacking and K-9 bomb sniffing--Aviation pulis commandos at ang PNP meron ding Navy- MARICOM(maritime command)-meron silang mga 50 na motor bancas at mga 30 to 40 speedboats masyado ninyo iniismol ang ating mga hukbo . totoo nagkakalat yan sila e sino ba ang hindi? e yung mga kano ay nagkakalat din naman a .ang dami dami na nilang namamatay sa irak . yung mga russian-ayan namamatay din araw-araw sa chechnya yung mga hayupang komunistang insik, pagsinubukan nila ang ating hukbo sa palawan ay siguradong magiging pula ang mga ilog at baybayin ng palawan sa dugo ng mga hayupang komunistang mga squatter sa mischief reef!! alam ko tumatawa lang kayo diyan. abangan na lang ninyo at tingnan natin kung hindi iiyak itung mga taka Peking for the next 1000 years. yung mga ulo, atay at puso nila ay kakainin ng mga vigilanteng CVO. |
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| 21Scorpio | Feb 23 2005, 11:06 AM Post #7 |
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One problem with the hummingbird was it really look like a BO-105 thats why eurocopter squeak had they PADC revolutionized it to look diffrently that project would have continued. For the defiant 300/500 that aircraft should have been supported we could have by now a tucano-like attack turbo-prop. There was a super pinto that uses the engines of the F-5's license built also but was also scrap reason unknown. These projects would have made the Air Force self reliant but politics in the govt lack of support virtually killed it. But given the right admin that prospect could easily take off the blue prints are there, kits and templates are also preserved it would need only a few years to make one aircraft flying. Maybe whats needed is little prodding from the Air Force to emphazise their desire to be self reliant. |
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| Aussie Balot | Feb 27 2005, 11:06 AM Post #8 |
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Build prop driven COIN type aircraft first then move on from there. :thumb: |
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| gt6282 | May 14 2005, 03:08 AM Post #9 |
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Bakit tayo masyado aasa sa government? kung private sector kaya maginitiate nito?... :aberet: |
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| adroth | May 14 2005, 05:46 AM Post #10 |
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What businessman would risk his own capital to build an airplane for a government with a track record of not paying? Who will subsidize the cost of RD and construction of the prototypes? Why should the Philippine government pay for something it didn't ask for? |
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we always rely on dole-outs from USA. IMHO we should start from the smallest projcts and build up from there. I believe in the ingenuity of pinoys but once its been smeared by politics and corruption it will definitly go down hill. Nag papaliwanag lang po.
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