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The China Threat; military, political, economic, etc.
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 16 2004, 01:56 AM (13,558 Views)
flipzi	Nov 18 2004, 09:20 AM Post #21
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	I agree with that. Nonetheless, no matter how insecure China is, it cannot just expand its geopolitical strength without being subjected to the wrath of UN's resolutions for that action. Quote: If China expands economically without expanding its geopolitical strength, it will be the first geopolitical anomaly. That's why they are doing all they can to the point of bullying its neighbors just to get the Spratly's because setting the Chinese presence on the Spratly's soil will strengthen and even accomplish their goal of expanding their geopolitical strength. But as you can see, even that of the Spratly's will not be that easy for China to fulfill.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


SharFshuTzeN	Nov 21 2004, 02:03 PM Post #22
Member Posts: 148 Group: Regulars Member #27 Joined: July 20, 2004	I for one doesnt think that China gives a rat's ass about any UN resolutions it may incur as a result of any "adventures" they may undertake in the future (coz by that time, they will be strong enough to resist). The UN cannot enforce their petty resolutions. Countries choose to enforce them. The US, Japan and Russia will enforce them as soon as they get any resolution favourable to them, though. And that's why China is not going the way of Japan circa 1940 (shouldn't we say circa 1920's). As a result, China will bide its time, strengthen its economic and political power, test the waters every so often and try to get away with as much as it can with the littlest hassle. But they know their time is coming, oh yes they know.. just like they always wanted, just like they always believed they're destined for. The way China's going to do it? Its all about the benjamins.... An alliance with the strong is never to be trusted - Phaedrus
	One Shot, One Kill The enemy of my enemy is my friend Nations have no friends, only interests


flipzi	Nov 22 2004, 08:25 AM Post #23
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	SharFshuTzeN Nov 21 2004, 02:03 PM test the waters every so often and try to get away with as much as it can with the littlest hassle. What they did in the Spartly's, wherein President Ramos succumbed to their bullying, their arrogance towards the Taiwanese republic, their intrusions into Japan's own territory are proof of their unwavering obsession to rule this part of the world. A prelude to ruling the globe actually. If their sole purpose is just to be on top of the line of economic giants, then venturing further east or somewhere else to get that goal is a manifestation of their weakness or incapability. Imagine? Israel, UK, Germany, France, Italy and even Japan are so small compared to the land mass of China but they are among the best industrialized countries in the world? To prosper economically doesn't require you to get more lands to do that. All you need is know how you can make it with what you have.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


Servicedude	Nov 25 2004, 06:56 PM Post #24
Unregistered	ano naman ang magawa ni ramos? may laban ba tayo? nakuu gumising ka nga
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flipzi	Nov 26 2004, 11:19 AM Post #25
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Look, try to see the advantage of our troops during that time. Bautista AB is just minutes away. Marine reinforcement is available. We even have SWAGS. In fact the SWAGS demolished the concrete markers that the Chinese put up around that shoal to strengthen their claim on that one. The structures then weren't yet fortified as how it looks now. If the SWAGs were able to demolished those markers then why have they not demolished the structure also? There were Chinese frigates but China would be stupid if they send them any closer than that. In fact, the Chinese ships halted when PAF jets came soaring in. The Chinese art of war are often imbedded with psychological tactics. Nonetheless, we know they can go beyond that if they knew they have the advantage. But come to think of it, China didn't have an aircraft carrier then. It would be stupid for China to send a long range heavy bomber to reiterate their claim. That action will definitely get the US and the UN come rushing in to join the fray. WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THAT TIME ACTUALLY. See now? We could have saved the Scarborough shoal if they knew how to play China's game. Nonetheless, that's just how i see things. I maybe wrong.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


Erwin Rommel	Jan 23 2005, 08:08 PM Post #26
Trainee Posts: 46 Group: Regulars Member #302 Joined: January 19, 2005	flipzi Nov 26 2004, 11:19 AM Look, try to see the advantage of our troops during that time. Bautista AB is just minutes away. Marine reinforcement is available. We even have SWAGS. In fact the SWAGS demolished the concrete markers that the Chinese put up around that shoal to strengthen their claim on that one. The structures then weren't yet fortified as how it looks now. If the SWAGs were able to demolished those markers then why have they not demolished the structure also? There were Chinese frigates but China would be stupid if they send them any closer than that. In fact, the Chinese ships halted when PAF jets came soaring in. The Chinese art of war are often imbedded with psychological tactics. Nonetheless, we know they can go beyond that if they knew they have the advantage. But come to think of it, China didn't have an aircraft carrier then. It would be stupid for China to send a long range heavy bomber to reiterate their claim. That action will definitely get the US and the UN come rushing in to join the fray. WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THAT TIME ACTUALLY. See now? We could have saved the Scarborough shoal if they knew how to play China's game. Nonetheless, that's just how i see things. I maybe wrong. But the US may not do anything. You know why? Because China has nuclear weapons, all it has to do is to threaten the US with a nuclear strike, the US citizens will then start rioting like what happened in Los Angeles in 1992, then the US will be forced to give in to China's demands because it just cannot tolerate the possibility of being hit with nuclear weapons, Vietnam showed that, that Americans cannot take casualties, kill a few thousand of them and they will start to waver and will be looking for an easy way out, remember, it was not the US military that lost the Vietnam war, it was the media and the leftist student protesters, just don't push them too far like what Japan did in 1941 when it bombed Pearl Harbor.
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flipzi	Jan 24 2005, 12:45 PM Post #27
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	It is not far from reality, i can agree. But then again, China wont dare threaten the US with nukes that easy. China aint that tough actually. Even Japan invaded them during WW2. Even its commercial rocket launching systems arent that excellent yet. Remember when the Chinese rocket failed to reach the targetted point that resulted to releasing the payload, the Philippine satellite "Agila 1", before they could reach the desired position? That technical anomally caused the satellite to consume more fuel than it should have, which lessened its lifespan. Why they succeeded in stealing the Scarborough shoal was a result of misjudgement on the part of our government. The govt then forgot how importatnt external defense is. Come to think of it, that didnt happen even during the time of Marcos. It even happened during the stint of a president who happened to be a West Point-trained military general. Isn't that ironic? Let me add this. Even if the reason why the AFP opted to give the Chinese bulshits... i mean bullies...the space to satisfy its bullying is to prevent a full-blown war, .. ... Pres. Ramos was still culpable. Why? He was the former AFP Chief and Defense Secretary. He should know what was going on before the Chinese got there. Intelligence and surveillance, that is. Mabuti na lang may Maritime Patrol Aircrafts na tayo ngayun. If he failed to get a hint or eavesdrop on that matter, then that manifested how weak our national defense setup was. External defense is precisley preventing the outcome of negligence such as what happened there in the Scarborough shoal. Ramos was already there in the defense dept several decades before the Chinese takeover happened. Was he just too busy with electioneering or what? Oh well, in fareness to him....let's just get back to where the topic wants us to go.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


Erwin Rommel	Jan 24 2005, 04:06 PM Post #28
Trainee Posts: 46 Group: Regulars Member #302 Joined: January 19, 2005	flipzi Nov 26 2004, 11:19 AM Look, try to see the advantage of our troops during that time. Bautista AB is just minutes away. Marine reinforcement is available. We even have SWAGS. In fact the SWAGS demolished the concrete markers that the Chinese put up around that shoal to strengthen their claim on that one. The structures then weren't yet fortified as how it looks now. If the SWAGs were able to demolished those markers then why have they not demolished the structure also? There were Chinese frigates but China would be stupid if they send them any closer than that. In fact, the Chinese ships halted when PAF jets came soaring in. The Chinese art of war are often imbedded with psychological tactics. Nonetheless, we know they can go beyond that if they knew they have the advantage. But come to think of it, China didn't have an aircraft carrier then. It would be stupid for China to send a long range heavy bomber to reiterate their claim. That action will definitely get the US and the UN come rushing in to join the fray. WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THAT TIME ACTUALLY. See now? We could have saved the Scarborough shoal if they knew how to play China's game. Nonetheless, that's just how i see things. I maybe wrong. Well actually during the Taiwan presidential election crisis of 1996, the Chinese implicitly threatened the United States by reminding it that it has nuclear weapons when the United States sent its aircraft carriers in order to protect Taiwan from a potential Chinese attack, but as far as I know this did not make the United States back off much, but who knows, maybe next time when the United States is facing a much stronger and more developed China, things may not go so smoothly as far as the US is concerned and it may give in to Chinese nuclear blackmail.
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ColdDeadFish	Jan 24 2005, 04:26 PM Post #29
Major Posts: 938 Group: Regulars Member #153 Joined: October 4, 2004	The only way to prevent all of this is to weaken or hasten china's eco growth. The key move is to devalue their currency. China is defying this. There must be a way to externally force them to devalue it.



flipzi	Jan 24 2005, 04:32 PM Post #30
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	ER, I can agree. In fact the Chinese considers "taking the right opportunity" thing very well. The incident in the Spratly's is one example. But the opportunity they got was not because of we could not confront them. It was because we did not want to confront them. We had the advatage that time actually. Well, as i see it. I could be wrong still. BTW, China is continually enhancing its intercontinental ballistic missile technology. A report said they are focussing on submarine-launched missile technology .. .. and probably improving the guidance system. For the US, it is best that they go one step ahead or even two. The seemingly shelved star-wars concept is one. That concept even included land-based angti-missile systems. (laser-technology). Plus a deadly paralyzing first strike capability to complement the defense setup. If they were able to keep the Stealth fighter technology for a decade then probably they are keeping something better now. I believe that their bases in Diego Garcia and in Japan are part of that strategy. These can really obliterate China while their missile defense system and their very lethal blue-water Navy will take care of the Chinese subs and surface ships. China will be stupid if it will confront the US like that and risk losing its opportunity of becoming a top world economic power.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


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