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The China Threat; military, political, economic, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 16 2004, 01:56 AM (13,544 Views)
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US urged to bolster RP defense against China over territorial dispute
By Jose Katigbak / STAR Washington Bureau (philstar.com) Updated August 10, 2010 02:31 PM

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WASHINGTON – The United States should consider leasing big-ticket military hardware to the Philippines to give it the capability to defend its sovereign territory against Chinese expansionism in the South China Sea, a former head of the US Pacific Fleet said.

Retired Navy Adm. James Lyons, in a commentary in the editorial pages of The Washington Times, said the US should consider leasing a squadron of F-16 along with T-38 supersonic trainers, an aircraft for maritime patrol, and two FFG-7 guided-missile frigates to provide a recognized capability to enforce the Philippines’ offshore territorial claims.

Since the election of President Aquino, US analysts and foreign policy experts have called for a more robust US military assistance to the Philippines to counter “China’s aggressive action in the South China Sea.”

In his commentary on Monday, Lyons said former President Arroyo, in return for billions of dollars poured into the Philippines, provided unfettered access to China and signed 65 bilateral agreements with it, including an oil exploration undertaking in 2004 shrouded in controversy as it may have conceded territorial waters to the Chinese.

He said after the US left the Philippines in 1991, China unilaterally declared sovereignty over various disputed islands in the South China Sea, and started building an air and naval base on Woody Island in the Paracel Island chain and new facilities in the Spratly Island chain.

Lyons said that in 1995, China built a facility on Mischief Reef, which is clearly recognized to be in the Philippine economic zone. And last year, a retired People’s Liberation Army deputy chief of the general staff called for the construction of a formal air and naval base on Mischief Reef.

Lyons said such a base would allow the PLA to place naval, air and missile forces astride the Palawan Strait, one of the key strategic sea lanes in the Western Pacific. This, he said, poses a military threat to the Philippines and the security of the sea-lanes through which much of the world’s trade passes.

He said that for the past 15 years, US policy on this issue has been adrift and Washington has failed to confront Beijing over its illegal actions in any meaningful way.

However, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a July meeting of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) in Hanoi, signaled a change in the US position by directly confronting China.

Clinton said conflicting claims over contested South China Sea areas should be resolved through regional discussions and solutions instead of on a one-on-one basis as preferred by China.

Lyons said now that President Barack Obama’s administration has directly challenged China, the US should expand its relations with ASEAN “by building on our Mutual Defense Treaty with the Philippines.”

The US should negotiate a commercial agreement for access to logistic support facilities in Subic Bay.

“The new Philippine president will come under intense pressure from China to prevent any expansion of US activities. However, neither we nor the new Philippine government should be deterred by Chinese bluster from doing what is right,” Lyons said.
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Ret. Admiral Lyons is technically just a pundit and not a decision maker on US Defense or Foreign Policy.

As for his proposal, doesn't sit too well with me.

Let me ask you:

Can we keep those jets flying and those frigates afloat?

Do we have the manpower tried to operate and maintain said systems?
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Just a post to make one think abit about the Chinese influence/threat that is already in place... Things that I would really question are these names that keep popping up on the peripherals and Chinese connections to Philippine Politics:

1... Cojuanco: Chinese billionaires...Anyone ever done any background checks on how they were able to amass such wealth...
2... Fidel Ramos 2d cousin to Marcos who rode on his cousins loyalty that put him into the fast track promotions to the top.... then turned on him..
3... Arroyo: Chinese connections
4.. Enrile: How has he been able to survive all this long in politics..and what is his agenda for being there so long..

Can't put my finger on it but maybe someone can add some pieces...or do some research on these personnel..
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Aug 21 2010, 09:40 AM
Just a post to make one think abit about the Chinese influence/threat that is already in place... Things that I would really question are these names that keep popping up on the peripherals and Chinese connections to Philippine Politics:

1... Cojuanco: Chinese billionaires...Anyone ever done any background checks on how they were able to amass such wealth...
2... Fidel Ramos 2d cousin to Marcos who rode on his cousins loyalty that put him into the fast track promotions to the top.... then turned on him..
3... Arroyo: Chinese connections
4.. Enrile: How has he been able to survive all this long in politics..and what is his agenda for being there so long..

Can't put my finger on it but maybe someone can add some pieces...or do some research on these personnel..

Desert Ranger,

Please limit any of your speculation and conspiracy theories about RP politicians to the Philippine Politics and Current Events board.

:armyroleyes:

The last time we had a poster make nutty China conspiracy theories (without proof) did not end so well.
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M Santor;
It seems to be a Valid post to me...What do you mean did not end up so well... Is that a Threat on Your Part...I am utterly shivering in my socks by your friggin comments... Kiss My Ass..You dont know who I am and where I am coming from by my thoughts and posts...I am outta here... Will just miss a few friends here... Take Care All...Mabuhay...
Desertranger signing off for good.
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M Santor;
It seems to be a Valid post to me...What do you mean did not end up so well... Is that a Threat on Your Part...I am utterly shivering in my socks by your friggin comments... Kiss My  Ass..You  dont know who I am and where I am coming from by my thoughts and posts...I am outta here...

You should read the embedded link that I placed in the words "last time".

It was only a reference to the last time someone made crazy China conspiracy theories, which was when Epigone made all those crazy posts at that other thread.

No offence was meant. You are free to post what you want as long as you keep it civil and on topic.
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1950 – Chinese invasion of Tibet
1962 China - India border war
1969 – China – USSR border conflict
1974 – China – South Vietnam battle over Paracel Islands
1979 China – Vietnam Border War
1988 – China – Vietnam skirmish in the Spratlys

So China is always the aggrieved country, claiming only what it historically owns? Up to the middle of the 20th century, when China was weak, western nations and Japan carved territories & rights in China. These were restored long ago. When it became militarily strong, it started doing what its oppressors did to her. It’s a case of an abused becoming an abuser. :pushup:
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Even if the current Chinese Government were not to harbour any such aggressive thoughts (which I do doubt), it would still be unwise for any nation to simply "bet" on its neighbour's "peacefulness": governments change, policies change.
So to use that as a card to somehow imply that the RP needs not a credible air-force is simply unreasonable.
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Never ever trust the Chinese!!! For their decieving intentions! China is building their Airforce and Navy, especially their Navy's intentions of becoming a BLUE WATER Force in South East Asia and the Far East!..
Per Ardua ad Astra "Through Adversity to the Stars"! We Filipinos should always aim High! to the Stars! and Beyond them blue yonder!.
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I agree... Never trust the People's Republic of China for its Aggressive Modernization of its Military Capability and its Interests in Claiming the Whole South China Sea. Currently, they look at Vietnam as their Southernmost part of Mainland China and that means whatever Vietnam claims is theirs to own....

Especially when the Chinese tried to claim Scarborough (nearest to Luzon & separate from Spratlys group of Islets) thru Military action with the help of North Korean boats and Malaysian frogmen back in 1989.

As of this time, let us see how the PAF will upgrade our exisitng AS211 (Analog Avionics version of M311) by installing a bellypod 50cal MG and put them on READY or FLYing Status..Then look for a low-cost Multi-role Fighter jet to fill the gap left by F5
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