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The China Threat; military, political, economic, etc.
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MSantor	May 18 2008, 11:05 AM Post #121
Posts: 28,658 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #516 Joined: August 6, 2005	roughneck May 18 2008, 10:33 AM Are the US gonna use the Philippines as a deterrent? Mas maganda nga kasi d n natin kaiangan gumasto ng malaking pera para sa AFP modernization US na mismo magbibigay ng mga gamit sa AFP para gamitin as deterrenr force sa china. The RP is not the main deterrent of the US against China- Japan, South Korea and Taiwan are. Ayyy buhay...so many - sobrang illusions of self-importance.
	"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton


roughneck	May 18 2008, 02:18 PM Post #122
Member Posts: 117 Group: Regulars Member #4,421 Joined: March 29, 2008	Mr Msantor, Why are you focusing much on this countries??? lets focus more on our defence. Let's admit it, that the philippines can't buy or even maintain modern fighter jet. Remember that the philippines is the most strategic location of all of this countries, kung d natin kaya, eh ganun na ganun ang mangyayari MR Msantor. A massive military aid from US... Believe me there's no dought about it Mr Msantor... wala ka atang maisip na maganda, paki basa nga... http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...mplate=nextpage



MSantor	May 19 2008, 03:16 AM Post #123
Posts: 28,658 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #516 Joined: August 6, 2005	roughneck May 18 2008, 02:18 PM Mr Msantor, Why are you focusing much on this countries??? lets focus more on our defence. Let's admit it, that the philippines can't buy or even maintain modern fighter jet. , kung d natin kaya, eh ganun na ganun ang mangyayari MR Msantor. A massive military aid from US... Believe me there's no dought about it Mr Msantor... wala ka atang maisip na maganda, paki basa nga... http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...mplate=nextpage roughneck, Stop being so naive. The reason why I pointed out Japan, Taiwan and South Korea is because their militaries with modern equipment and robust economies make them far more valuable allies for the US and a far more effective deterrent against China than the Philippines right now. The scores of modern fighter-bombers such as the F16s of Taiwan and South Korea, as well as the F15s of Japan, as well as the scores of modern, SSM-equipped warships of these countries' navies all make the first line of defense in any future war against China, which no doubt will first be fought on the air and naval fronts. No matter whether the war starts in the Taiwan Strait or the Korean Peninsula (in the case where the PRC again supports North Korea in a future war), these 3 countries are closer to mainland China than the Philippines and thus are in a better position to support the USN 7th Fleet when it intervenes. Thus, the Philippines is not a deterrent to China in the current state it is; its only importance to US strategy is LOCATION, nothing more. It will be merely a launching pad for US forces to attack China in the event of a war; remember those lilypad "secret staging areas" said to be in major RP airports like Clark and ports like Cebu? http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...ticle_id=102422 Quote: The bases are listed in the US Overseas Basing Commission as �cooperative security locations� (CSLs), a new category of offshore US military bases, said the report launched in Manila Wednesday by the Focus on the Global South, a policy research organization based at the Chulalongkorn University in Thailand, with country offices in the Philippines and India. The report, titled �At the Door of All the East: The Philippines in United States Military Strategy,� said the US Overseas Basing Commission, a body created by the US Congress to review the ongoing realignment of US military presence around the world, lists the Philippines as among the countries where the US has been developing CSLs. Mactan, Subic, Clark Though the government has neither acknowledged nor identified the locations of these bases in the Philippines, the report suggested that one such CSL is in Mactan. Other possible leads offered for those with the capacity to probe the issue further include the Subic Bay and Clark free ports and the General Santos airport.... ...According to the report, the Pentagon categorizes CSLs as US military installations that are nominally owned by host governments but are to be provided for the United States� use when needed. They would most likely be run and maintained by host-nation personnel or even private contractors. They are useful for pre-positioning logistics support or as venues for joint operations with host militaries. �Lily pads� CSLs are also called �lily pads� intended to allow the US to hop from their larger bases to their destinations rapidly when necessary, said the report, the result of five years of research, interviews and monitoring... The Philippines ceased to be an effective deterrent on the air front when the PAF lost its Crusaders by the early 90s and when you recently retired your F5As and failed to replace them; the Philippine Navy, on the other hand, cannot provide any threat to Chinese warships since PN ships have no SSMs and thus are irrelevant in a future naval war. Quote: Remember that the philippines is the most strategic location of all of this countries I think you overestimate the RP's strategic importance when it comes to a modern war against China. The Philippines' strategic location is not as important now as it was during World War II or Cold War years. The US military has already adapted to its loss of NS Subic and Clark AFB by expanding its bases at Guam, Okinawa, mainland Japan and South Korea. The US Air Force's 13th AF, that was formerly at Clark AFB, is now based in Hickam AFB, Hawaii, with some of its units now in Andersen AFB, Guam. The US recently made an agreement with Singapore to allow US Navy warships to use the Seletar naval base jointly with the Singapore Navy. Still, although US forces may use the staging areas stated above in the Philippines to attack Chinese forces in Southern or Southwest China, the Philippines will only be of secondary importance compared to the US bases in Japan, Okinawa and South Korea, which are in closer range to China for attacks. Furthermore, South Korean or Japanese forces would be within range to support those forward-deployed US forces. South Korean and Japanese forces would easily integrate with US forces since they've been on joint exercises for years and have the same equipment as some of the US forces, such as Japanese AEGIS destroyers and South Korean F16s. The only US units that would probably be sent to the RP would be support units like KC135 airborne tankers to probably help extend the range of US aircraft flying from Guam. Therefore, no major US units would go to the RP to wage a war against China, not unless Chinese forces actually land troops in major RP islands like Luzon, which is highly unlikely, for the reasons that I stated in the thread link below: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=413&st=30 For example: Quote: They know that if they invade a bigger island such as Luzon and try to occupy it, both the AFP and the civilian Filipino population will make it very hard for the average PLA soldier to make a living, even if the Chinese capture every city and town on the islands. This is because they are probably aware of the history of Japanese failure to stop the Filipino World War II guerrila movement, which had the very strong support of every local community who would not only supply and spy for the guerrilas, but get rid of any local collaborators who betrayed them to the Japanese. Furthermore, as experts themselves in guerrila warfare or "People's War", as Mao Zedong describes it in his "red book", with their own experience of fighting the Japanese, the PLA knows better than to occupy another country where the people will not support the occupying power. The only exception to this is Tibet, which the PLA has held with an iron fist in spite of at least 3 rebellions by local Tibetans since 1949. Also, I do not see the PRC trying to expand beyond China's traditional sphere of influence, which includes Tibet and Taiwan, anytime soon. They would probably also claim the South China Sea not only because of its name, but because it was the route of the Ming Dynasty-era treasure and trading fleets to both the rest of Southeast Asia and the Ming outpost at Singapore, which led to trade with India and beyond. After the PRC has possibly secured Taiwan in the future, they may even claim Singapore next because of its large Chinese community.
	"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton


Tora^2	May 19 2008, 02:29 PM Post #124
Member Posts: 967 Group: Regulars Member #518 Joined: August 8, 2005	The only Military value the Philippines has to the US is in its long-running War on Terror. It provides the US with a proxy war that prevents Al Qaeda from spreading its arms outside its God forsaken shores to other countries in the region like Singapore. The Philippine front provides the US with intel and is a laboratory on how to fight Islamofascist insurgencies. Methods that worked here can be used to fight similar insurgents especially in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hopefully the lessons we learned from them can be used to fight the Communist Insurgency more efficiently so now the AFP can divert more resources to that other war it had long neglected to fight
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Zero wing	Jul 12 2008, 07:27 PM Post #125
ZAFT Sepcial Forces Operative for SEA Posts: 1,419 Group: Regulars Member #745 Joined: June 10, 2006	Well all have good point but i like what comrade tora said the only value we have right now is our position in the map we should do this by ourselves since this is our problem the Americans won't like choosing a side since they have a deferent interests in the countries involve in the problem maybe giving weapons to Taiwan or the Philippines but in our case its different we will have to fight all of the parties involve and most of them are American allies so they have more things to lose then anyone as a third party all they could do is support them as a bloc (ASEAN) or lose their economic Investment in the SEA region yea the region because since all the battles will be in only to place (major battles) are in Seas and the skies and the last is land so if you add all the factors the Philippines will lost all of them we can't even make a good resistance in terms of our present condition its like WW2 all over again so we will lose our claim easy because were the easy target. so in conclusion the Americans will have to use Diplomacy as a card they can't afford to lose one of the their allies here that includes us.
	"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom." �As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,�(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile) �Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)


Numbers	Jun 8 2009, 04:10 PM Post #126
PDFF Moderator Posts: 4,896 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #9 Joined: July 9, 2004	nope, not their soldiers, but engineers ... :aberet: Influx of Chinese engineers sparks protest; Mar steps in A huge number of electrical engineers, particularly from China, have sneaked into the country to work, drawing protests from their Filipino counterparts. Senator Mar Roxas II, chairman of the committee on trade and commerce, asked Immigration Commissioner Marcelino Libanan to verify the presence of foreign electrical engineers and whether they are practicing their profession here, to the prejudice of Filipino practitioners. Roxas said foreigners are not allowed to work in the country unless there are no Filipinos who have the credentials and skills necessary for the services needed. He received a complaint from a group of Filipino engineers on the influx of foreign electrical engineers supposedly without government permits and licenses. The complainants denounced the alleged failure of their professional organization— the Institute of Integrated Electrical Engineers of the Philippines, led by its president Arthur Escalante, to act on the problem. READ MORE
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pachador	Jun 19 2009, 01:07 PM Post #127
Posts: 3,560 Group: Elite Member #4,608 Joined: May 1, 2008	please do not disturb this chinese forum or they might block us from viewing their forum. ayaan mo na sila. its interesting ti know that they even have a lot of pics about our armed forces. its too bad its in chinese characters. see below: http://www.fyjs.cn/bbs/read.php?tid=145867...&toread=&page=1



Marschall	Jun 19 2009, 08:48 PM Post #128
Member Posts: 1,299 Group: Regulars Member #621 Joined: December 9, 2005	Quote: Chinese forum discussing our military Well, both our Navy and Air-"Force" are not capable of doing anything in terms of external threats... If the Chinese decide to violate our territory more, there would be nothing we can do to stop them. Not a single ship with anti-ship missiles...
	"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei �When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven�t got any.� - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.


iced_man21	Jun 19 2009, 08:49 PM Post #129
Trainee Posts: 75 Group: Regulars Member #534 Joined: August 29, 2005	Try this http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n...history_state0=



Zero wing	Jun 26 2009, 02:34 AM Post #130
ZAFT Sepcial Forces Operative for SEA Posts: 1,419 Group: Regulars Member #745 Joined: June 10, 2006	This is scary the chincoms are discussing us man we need to build up our forces now
	"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom." �As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,�(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile) �Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)


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