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The China Threat; military, political, economic, etc.
Topic Started: Sep 16 2004, 01:56 AM (13,551 Views)
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MSantor
Mar 20 2008, 02:56 PM
While the Chinese may have an interest in the Spratleys and the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, I do not think they have an interest in the Philippines proper- namely the bigger islands such as Luzon, etc.

They know that if they invade a bigger island such as Luzon and try to occupy it, both the AFP and the civilian Filipino population will make it very hard for the average PLA soldier to make a living, even if the Chinese capture every city and town on the islands. This is because they are probably aware of the history of Japanese failure to stop the Filipino World War II guerrila movement, which had the very strong support of every local community who would not only supply and spy for the guerrilas, but get rid of any local collaborators who betrayed them to the Japanese.

Furthermore, as experts themselves in guerrila warfare or "People's War", as Mao Zedong describes it in his "red book", with their own experience of fighting the Japanese, the PLA knows better than to occupy another country where the people will not support the occupying power. The only exception to this is Tibet, which the PLA has held with an iron fist in spite of at least 3 rebellions by local Tibetans since 1949.

Also, I do not see the PRC trying to expand beyond China's traditional sphere of influence, which includes Tibet and Taiwan, anytime soon. They would probably also claim the South China Sea not only because of its name, but because it was the route of the Ming Dynasty-era treasure and trading fleets to both the rest of Southeast Asia and the Ming outpost at Singapore, which led to trade with India and beyond. After the PRC has possibly secured Taiwan in the future, they may even claim Singapore next because of its large Chinese community.

China also acts more in its own interests than for the cause of communism, since they invaded Vietnam in 1979 in a costly invasion from which they later withdrew, and temporarily cut a gas pipeline to North Korea not long after Kim Jong Il's more recent missile launches, IIRC, to show who had him on a leash. So obviously the Chinese do not care about other Communist countries, which is why I argue that there is no longer any more NPA-Beijing connection because the PRC officials will not waste their resources on these rebels who are nothing more than just barely-clothed rebels.

In fact, the CCP has recently been inducting entrepreneurs from China's noveau rich into its ranks; the party is thus not communist in practice, but only in name. They are more of a party that tries to secure llegitimacy through inspiring nationalism not only within Chinese mainlanders, but also within all the millions of overseas Chinese (of the Han ethnic majority/ºº×å who comprise over 95% of the population in China) in Taiwan, Singapore and scattered all throughout the world.

Thus I do not see them expanding to conquer the RP or other Southeast Asian countries in the near future, because they are so occupied with maintaining political and economic stability in order to ensure continued prosperity. Beyond the years 2040 to 2050 may be a different story though, since the PRC population will not only be larger, but may even outgrow the limited natural resources and habitable living space within China, especially if these are negatively affected by global environmental and climate change to the point that the Chinese may be forced into a war of conquest for other countries' natural resources and territory.

Yes, you are right, Msantor. They have no interest in our bigger islands. But they have THE INTEREST IN CULTIVATING HIGH RANKING DEFENSE OFFICIALS and running them as spies. They all happened in 1958. President Magsaysay's TWo defense Secretaries were convicted of Chinese espionage. See how more valuable they are than the Spratley or Luzon, Visayas combined.

With respect to your 2050 scenario, I have one suggesstion to China. Follow the economic growth paradigm (less government intervention) rather than stalled state paradigm (more intervention) and they will be at par with United States as a world power. Theory is valid. Look at USA. Number one superpower!!

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What did Tibet have to offer to China actually?
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Mar 21 2008, 05:03 AM
What did Tibet have to offer to China actually?

The Himalayas mountain range which occupies most of Tibet is also the freshwater source for the mighty Yangtze River (also called the "Chang Jiang" in Mandarin), which flows through the Chinese heartland and also provides not only freshwater to around 300 million Chinese living along its banks, but its water built up at the reservoir behind the massive "Three Gorges" Dam further downriver, in another province, also provides power to just as much people, if not more.

Tibet's mountains also provide China with a natural land barrier from an invasion from a regional rival like India.
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At hindi ba meron naman tayo Defense mutual treaty sa U.S?. At kung nangyari man ang hindi inaasahan, E di declare nalang nating Open City ulit ang Manila, walang say say kung makikipag bakbakan ng harapan. Tapos tsaka natin sila tirahin pag natutulog. Sanay na ang pilipinas dito panahon pa ng Kastila.
Modernization should prioritize:

Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy.
Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce.
SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army.
This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.
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FYI Paratorpe,

The US Mutual Defense Treaty covers only territory that are sure to belong to the Republic of the Philippines not territories whose ownership is in dispute and the Philippines only claims namely those small but oil and fish-rich islands off Palawan

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The Chinese or the PLA are well aware how combat tested our troops for such conflict.They might be well armed and a modernized army but still their soldier dont have the feeling of "Being Out There".Maybe they can beat our airforce and navy, but in land assault our army can mauled their troops :demon: ,especially what General Esperon's said"Hand to Hand Combat" :rifle: .
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Mar 21 2008, 05:50 AM
The Himalayas mountain range which occupies most of Tibet is also the freshwater source for the mighty Yangtze River (also called the "Chang Jiang" in Mandarin), which flows through the Chinese heartland and also provides not only freshwater to around 300 million Chinese living along its banks, but its water built up at the reservoir behind the massive "Three Gorges" Dam further downriver, in another province, also provides power to just as much people, if not more.

Tibet's mountains also provide China with a natural land barrier from an invasion from a regional rival like India.

LAtest news that china and india are running out of freshwater supplies. No wonder why...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/23/china.india

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/28/world/asia/28water.html

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1066368

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The Chinese have long studied how Armies fight but it would seriously be doubtful if they would ever attack the Philippines. they already control all the economic commodities. Just ask your neighbors and look in the markets and see who is prospering and what goods are being sold and where they come from.
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tama ka diyan mr. markiniraq hawak na nila tayo.you think wala silang tao satin ngayon?tandaan natin ginawa na yan ng mga hapon noon.pero as usual tayo ay kampante pa rin.di ako naniniwala na di nila tayo sasakupin.darating yan.ganyan rin noong bago mag world war 2.di rin nila inaasahan noon ang mga nangyari na.ang pinagtataka ko lang sa liderato ng political at military machinery natin e para bang walang pisikal na kongkretong paghahanda.tulad pa rin ng dati come what may.bakit ang bansang bangladesh na napakahina ng ekonomiya pero may mga fighter jets; o ang sri lanka; o yung mga nasa latin america. sa tingin ko mas may pera pa tayo sa kanila.kung minsan ang mga pangyayari ay parang ordinaryo lang pero may malalim na dahilan at may mga manlalaro.
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It's amazing how ordinary people that never been in the military see the threat around the Philippine neghboring countries. The whole ASEAN countries are upgrading there military equipments for a reason. The reason why the the rebels never been stop because the supporting or funding countries of these rebels are not scared of the AFP. Once the Philippines gear the military with the right equipments to conduct direct and indirect actions against it's enemies these rebels and border disputes will end until then, Philippines will continue to be engage in a never ending war.
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