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| KiloVictor | Sep 25 2004, 03:01 PM Post #41 |
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Russian or American equipment, we will still lose to China in any future war. What we have to consider is our military's current conflict with internal forces . I believe Russian-made materiel are our most cost-effective option for the AFPs counter insurgency operations. Anyway, who knows what country Russia will support? In this world of rapidly changing allegiances and alliances, we cannot be sure. |
 
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| KLKid | Sep 25 2004, 04:08 PM Post #42 |
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not only BMPs but the south Koreans are just recently buying 30 T-80U MBTs |
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| adroth | Sep 26 2004, 12:33 AM Post #43 |
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If cost effectiveness is the argument, then the BMP is still not the way to go. The marines already looked at the BMP3, and thumbed it down in favor of the AAVP7. As I said earlier: The AAVP7 can carry 25 combat ready troops. The BMP can only carry 7. To match the AAVP7's transport capacity you would need either 3.5 (make that 4) BMPs to accomplish what a single AAVP7 can do -- or have a single BMP make 4 trips, back and forth from the LST. The first option will quadruple the initial BMP purchase cost. The latter will give the enemy more time to respond, will cost more fuel, will add wear and tear to the vehicle, etc. If we consider simple COIN scenarios, the PMC will need more BMPs to match the transport benefits of the AAVP -- again because the latter can move more people.
Overall reliability of the vehicle is also an unknown. The Koreans may have bought the T-80s, but they have the technological know-how to fabricate the spare parts that they need -- we don't. |
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| Numbers | Oct 17 2004, 12:43 PM Post #44 |
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BMP-2 Upgrade BMP -3F Marine 
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| Numbers | Jan 2 2005, 03:07 PM Post #45 |
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Russian purpose-built armored truck to consider: Ural 4320  
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| Viking | Jan 3 2005, 05:59 AM Post #46 |
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Remember, even if you can buy Russian equipment cheap you must always look in to the hidden costs, Spare parts, lifetime, integration and training. One exampel is the first version of MIG29, the plane was wery cheap but when you started to count on the fact that the engine life was only half of an F16 the total price went up. My personal opinion is that you can buy Russian equipment that is used (and made) by many countries, that way you are ensured to get spare parts and support. And in some areas they are in a firm second place ( tanks) Example of what to buy is Mi8 helicopter, 122mm artillery, HMGs. |
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| edwin | Feb 23 2005, 06:17 AM Post #47 |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, But the problem is that you can only supply your army and cannot produce in large quantitiy in case there is a large order. Peace to all. |
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| flipzi | Feb 23 2005, 09:40 AM Post #48 |
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Seems like getting Russian machines would be much costlier compared to the US items in the long run. If the Russins are selling more expensive machines and the support programs arent that reliable ... then we should consider other dealers.  Let's not forget the Swedish Gripen MRF. ITS CHEAP AND CAPABLE! :thumb: |
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| ColdDeadFish | Feb 23 2005, 11:53 AM Post #49 |
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If we have a local military systems integration industry, it will be benficial to acquire warsaw pact hardware. We can purchase the basic platform and integrate other systems built on that. The IAI has been the forefront of this approach. It may cost at par with US hardware counterpart but we are not dishing away money to US defense manufacturers. Part of the money is given back to the local economy. |
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| flipzi | Feb 23 2005, 12:25 PM Post #50 |
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 This is the ideal setup because it will save us a lot of money and it will support our local economy as well. Maintenance concern will be a lot manageable since we will do these tasks right here, thus saving us time and money. This will greatly boost our SRDP much. :thumb: |
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