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| adroth | Sep 18 2004, 06:35 PM Post #31 |
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You have to match your equipment acquisition with your objective. My take on the situation is that the Marines want to get as many troops on the beach in as short a time as possible. The AAVP7 can carry 25 combat ready troops. The BMP can only carry 7. To satify the above objective you would need either 3.5 (make that 4) BMPs to accomplish what a single AAVP7 can do -- or have a single BMP make 4 trips, back and forth from the LST. The first option will quadruple the initial BMP purchase cost; the latter will give the enemy more time to respond. If we consider simple COIN scenarios, the PMC will need more BMPs to match the transport benefits of the AAVP -- again because the latter can move more people.
If the overall strategy does not call for a one-size-fits all vehicle, then it is a waste of resources. Because the money spent on it could have been better spent on vehicles that support the chosen doctrine. To make the most of your resouces, get something that will really do the job. The BMP is: - Not much of a transport because it carries too few troops - Not much of a defense against MBTs, because it's too lightly armored So what objective will it really satisfy? The AAVP may be vulnerable, but at least is satisfies a specific need. Making it a good buy.
The BMP 3 wouldn't stand a chance going head to head with an MBT. IFVs were never intended to do so. Their job is mainly to protect / transport the infantry that escort the MBTs. |
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| al'Lan Mandragoran | Sep 18 2004, 08:00 PM Post #32 |
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BMP with ERA addons * All-round protection against PG-9S grenades: - with і 0.8 probability in the areas covered by ERA tiles; - with і 0.5 probability in the areas covered by grill screens. * No breach of the main armor when hit by AT grenades. * Protection against AP bullets: - 12.7mm B-32 AP bullets - point-blank; - 14.5mm B-32 AP bullets - at 50m. * Hull protection against 30mm AP ammunition at firing angles of ±30° at 0m. * Reduction of irretrievable losses of vehicles by a factor of 5 * Increase of possibility of vehicle combat efficiency restoration by a factor of 8 * Reduction of irretrievable losses of the crew and troops by a factor of 12 * Total weight of the kit: 4,150 kg. niistali.ru |
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| Seventeener | Sep 19 2004, 09:00 AM Post #33 |
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im impressed with that BMP :thumb: |
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| martilyo | Sep 22 2004, 10:25 AM Post #34 |
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ok naman siguro ang aftersales support ng mga russians, bumili na ng bmp 3 ang united arab emirates at south korea tapos susunod ang thailand...kaya suhestiyon ko lapit na tayo sa mga russians, wala tayong mapapala sa mga kano at kung meron man karamihan bulok ... 
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| adroth | Sep 23 2004, 12:53 AM Post #35 |
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If we go head to head with the Chinese (currently main potential enemy), can we we still count on Russian support? I'm not blind to the short comings of the US relationship . . . but we do have a mutual defense treaty with them, which is more that we can say for the Russians. |
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| KiloVictor | Sep 23 2004, 11:25 AM Post #36 |
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I think so. The Russians aren't exactly politically chummy with the Chinese. Their current relationship is more business than ideology. It will not look good on the Russian arms industry if they withhold parts and ordnance support in the event of a conflict with China. Remember, China is not their only big-time customer, India (a known China rival) is a far more lucrative Russian arms buyer than China. Other countries too will think twice in buying more equipment from Russia if this embargo happens. |
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| al'Lan Mandragoran | Sep 23 2004, 04:10 PM Post #37 |
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Not only armored vehicles but transport trucks too. Kamaz trucks are cheap, yet quality alternatives to US-madetrucks.
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| adroth | Sep 24 2004, 10:31 AM Post #38 |
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The Russians have a much closer relationship with the Chinese than they do with us. Practically every piece of Chinese equipment has Russian influences . . . even the Chinese space program benefits from Russian assistance. I seriously doubt if they could turn their backs on that so easily. |
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| Singa Lion | Sep 24 2004, 07:28 PM Post #39 |
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i agree with adrott here..dont buy russian instead by singaporean, we have better quality vehicles and weapons... 
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| Numbers | Sep 25 2004, 11:47 AM Post #40 |
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the Bionix then, its as versatile as the M113... it even has a bridge layer variant  Bionix AVLB |
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