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Shall we go Russian?
Topic Started: Aug 28 2004, 02:35 PM (13,382 Views)
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MTLB mukhang ok na pamalit sa mga wheeled APCs natin or replacement to M113s. Problem lang ay nasaan rin ang fuel tank nito? Kung katulad sa BMP huwag na lang.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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Aug 15 2007, 02:34 AM
How am I lying? aber? All I did was send you an e-mail asking you to reply- I don't see how my e-mail was twisting your arm- although all I did was state a fact in the e-mail by calling you paranoid. And the fact that your last response here is so terse and only focuses on accusing me of being a liar AVOIDS THE ISSUE OF YOU POSTING ALL THESE SO CALLED ALLEGATIONS OF SPIES EVERYWHERE- where is your evidence? AND IF SO, do you have sources/URLs you can copy and paste here in proper format, such as MLA format for text sources?

So far all you've given is what you've heard or what you take for fact without posting any source.

Stop acting like you're some secret govt. agent...I hate posers! No genuine govt. agent would break OPSEC by even posting on here! SHEESH!!!!

I am here to learn and everyone here has something to contribute- but please stop posting this ideological crap about whether liberals or conservatives or whoever is conspiring against who...THIS IS JUST NOT THE PLACE FOR IT!!!

:headbang:

Now, is anyone going to comment on the feasibility of Russian medium and heavy airlifter aircraft for the PAF or what?????

hey,take it easy,mates
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Aug 15 2007, 02:34 AM
How am I lying? aber? All I did was send you an e-mail asking you to reply- I don't see how my e-mail was twisting your arm- although all I did was state a fact in the e-mail by calling you paranoid. And the fact that your last response here is so terse and only focuses on accusing me of being a liar AVOIDS THE ISSUE OF YOU POSTING ALL THESE SO CALLED ALLEGATIONS OF SPIES EVERYWHERE- where is your evidence? AND IF SO, do you have sources/URLs you can copy and paste here in proper format, such as MLA format for text sources?

So far all you've given is what you've heard or what you take for fact without posting any source.

Stop acting like you're some secret govt. agent...I hate posers!  No genuine govt. agent would break OPSEC by even posting on here! SHEESH!!!!

I am here to learn and everyone here has something to contribute- but please stop posting this ideological crap about whether liberals or conservatives or whoever is conspiring against who...THIS IS JUST NOT THE PLACE FOR IT!!!

:headbang:

Now, is anyone going to comment on the feasibility of Russian medium and heavy airlifter aircraft for the PAF or what?????

Your email was duress-ladened. Even a layman can conceive it was. I apprehensively replied. You should had replied too. Decorum dictated that you should had. Besides, there was bad faith on your part. Why throw to me things which should had been thrown at you.

Under my right of free speech I have the option to refuse to reply to your post until I was compelled because of accusations of being "paranoid". Besides you were evasive and that if I did not present your email as evidence of duress, the posters and administrators should not had known that you emailed me. There was bad faith in your part.

Yes, I am not a governmant agent. Better to put things that way than risk my life busting Chinese spies in Vancouver where you presently are residing, MSantor. Prime Minister numbered them to a "thousand".

Come to think of it. I was full of praise with your wit. But instead of thanking me you used my flattery for you to put me down. Wala kang kabilib-bilib sa akin kahit na bilib na bilib ako sa iyo. That's devious if I may be allowed to say it.

Did I accuse you of being a Chinese spy?

I was wondering why did you not quote me in your last post?

CSIS agents like me are not scandalous that is why sometimes when we post we do not quote especially if the quote is incriminating. But there is one rule that has to be stated to quote one to a Chinese spy: "No more fast food and fast cars for you, Cheng Yung Bian. Failure to register as a Chinese spy can amount to deportation either back to the Philippines or to China"

People like you who downplay or underestimate the threat of Chinese espionage have been found to have dubious affiliations. I hope and pray that you are not.
These agents of influence who mislead Canadians of the threat of Chinese espionage have penetrated all sectors of society especially in the Ministry of Citizenship and Immigration. My distant cousin who is a self-confessed Chinese mole had easy access to Britain then to Canada as a citizen because of Chinese cultivated immigration counsellors.

Naghihinakit ang mga magulang, kapatid at mga anak at asawa ng AFP. Bakit yang mga Chinese spies at komunistang NPA madaling nakakapasok ng USA, Canada at Britain. Bakit kami hindi makapasok eh makademokrasya naman kami.
(The relatives of AFP are bitter. Why can the Chinese spies and NPAs gain easy access to Canada as immigrants and citizens. Why can't we when we are democratic and not communists)
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"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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Maganda siguro i-adopt natin for our troops' use ay yun mga body armor at other protective gear ng Russia. Even electronics like NVG. Di ba mas mura naman yun kanila at mas advanced pa pag minsan kaysa sa Western models? Alam ko mas nauna sila before the West fielded theirs. Kailangan natin pag-aralan na ang mga latest tech baka may makapasok na ilan at gawin testing ground yun gulo dito like the ChiCom's blinding lasers.

Ang isa pang gusto ko na airlifter for our PAF would be a good seaplane na modern naman. Yun C130 na seaplane kasi mukhang palpak as major drag daw yun pontoons niya.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

Gen. Eric K. Shinseki
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QUOTE (israeli @ Jul 25 2007, 03:59 PM)
with the Democrats, supportive of the Communists and Islamofascists in this country, cutting US military and police aid to the Philippines by 2/3, it is high time for us to consider Russian hardware. we will not get anything from the Americans as long as the Democrats are in power. 


I agree with you, Sir israeli! The closet commie liberals are screwing us up.


If you look at these quotes by you and Israeli- you will read the underline portion that REALLY BOTHERS ME!

What I don't like is the fact that you and Israeli seem to be just so far right that you consider any liberal as a "closet commie".

It really pisses me off when you conservatives don't differentiate between liberals and commies- we are very different.

Sure, Liberals believe in regulating the market, but they don't believe in doing away with it altogether! Geez, if you look at the time of US President Clinton- who by the way is a Democrat/Liberal President- you will see that the 1990s era under his leadership were among the most prosperous times for the United States, in part because Clinton balanced the budget and because Clinton focused on remedying the lagging US economy while his predecessor Bush Sr. didnt! And also I believe that Health Care should continually be at the public expense and available to all citizens/permanent residents, and not subject to the "hand of the market" as it is with US Medical Care- that's what you'll find if you watch the movie "Sicko" by Michael Moore. Medical care is a right, NOT a priviliege!

Alright, I'll admit it was wrong for me to pressure you in the way I did in Personal Message to you, but I just don't like the insensitive way you classify Liberals and commies as being the same!

And if you really are an agent for CSIS- which means you are a naturalized Canadian citizen who had to read Canadian history in order to pass the citizenship- you would be aware of former Prime Minister Trudeau's vision of "Multiculturalism" that he tried to apply in Canada during his era, which made Canada the diverse and dynamic society it is now. That makes Canada a more welcoming place for immigrants than the United States is nowadays!

I admire that Liberal view partially because of my disappointment with my US venture and partially because I am an immigrant myself- but my main point of contention/conflict with Conservatives is that Canadian conservatives have been traditonally against immigration.

If you go to the Canadian Forces forum www.army.ca and www.milnet.ca, you will read certain posts and threads that focus on why people at that forum- the majority of whom are white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant Canadians and xenophobic Quebecois- are generally resentful of immigration not only because it takes their jobs away, but because they hate the "Multiculturalism" vision of Trudeau which is turning the Canada their forefathers knew into a place full of non-European, immigrant enclaves for immigrants who don't even speak English, such as the Chinese, Indians, Vietnamese, etc. - which they obviously resent if you search for a thread under the term "Multiculturalism" in those forums above.

It was my intention not to insult you personally- but I just don't like it when Liberals are confused with Commies! Watch your tongue and be considerate if you are going to start spewing McCarthy-style political accusations around.

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Now that all this is done, will anyone else besides CityHunter say anything about the option of Russian airlifters for PAF service???
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Aug 16 2007, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (israeli @ Jul 25 2007, 03:59 PM)
with the Democrats, supportive of the Communists and Islamofascists in this country, cutting US military and police aid to the Philippines by 2/3, it is high time for us to consider Russian hardware. we will not get anything from the Americans as long as the Democrats are in power. 


I agree with you, Sir israeli! The closet commie liberals are screwing us up.


If you look at these quotes by you and Israeli- you will read the underline portion that REALLY BOTHERS ME!

What I don't like is the fact that you and Israeli seem to be just so far right that you consider any liberal as a "closet commie".

It really pisses me off when you conservatives don't differentiate between liberals and commies- we are very different.

Sure, Liberals believe in regulating the market, but they don't believe in doing away with it altogether! Geez, if you look at the time of US President Clinton- who by the way is a Democrat/Liberal President- you will see that the 1990s era under his leadership were among the most prosperous times for the United States, in part because Clinton balanced the budget and because Clinton focused on remedying the lagging US economy while his predecessor Bush Sr. didnt! And also I believe that Health Care should continually be at the public expense and available to all citizens/permanent residents, and not subject to the "hand of the market" as it is with US Medical Care- that's what you'll find if you watch the movie "Sicko" by Michael Moore. Medical care is a right, NOT a priviliege!

Alright, I'll admit it was wrong for me to pressure you in the way I did in Personal Message to you, but I just don't like the insensitive way you classify Liberals and commies as being the same!

And if you really are an agent for CSIS- which means you are a naturalized Canadian citizen who had to read Canadian history in order to pass the citizenship- you would be aware of former Prime Minister Trudeau's vision of "Multiculturalism" that he tried to apply in Canada during his era, which made Canada the diverse and dynamic society it is now. That makes Canada a more welcoming place for immigrants than the United States is nowadays!

I admire that Liberal view partially because of my disappointment with my US venture and partially because I am an immigrant myself- but my main point of contention/conflict with Conservatives is that Canadian conservatives have been traditonally against immigration.

If you go to the Canadian Forces forum www.army.ca and www.milnet.ca, you will read certain posts and threads that focus on why people at that forum- the majority of whom are white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant Canadians and xenophobic Quebecois- are generally resentful of immigration not only because it takes their jobs away, but because they hate the "Multiculturalism" vision of Trudeau which is turning the Canada their forefathers knew into a place full of non-European, immigrant enclaves for immigrants who don't even speak English, such as the Chinese, Indians, Vietnamese, etc. - which they obviously resent if you search for a thread under the term "Multiculturalism" in those forums above.

It was my intention not to insult you personally- but I just don't like it when Liberals are confused with Commies! Watch your tongue and be considerate if you are going to start spewing McCarthy-style political accusations around.

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Now that all this is done, will anyone else besides CityHunter say anything about the option of Russian airlifters for PAF service???

May I remind you of my post which stated that there are "right wing liberals" vis-a-vis liberal socialists. You're like one commie I know (I am not saying you are one).
Ingratiate himself with liberals and pose as a liberal, alienate me, slander me (I am not saying you are) so that the whole world of liberalism would gang up on me thereby weakening my support against Chinese espionage.
"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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Aug 16 2007, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (israeli @ Jul 25 2007, 03:59 PM)
with the Democrats, supportive of the Communists and Islamofascists in this country, cutting US military and police aid to the Philippines by 2/3, it is high time for us to consider Russian hardware. we will not get anything from the Americans as long as the Democrats are in power. 


I agree with you, Sir israeli! The closet commie liberals are screwing us up.


If you look at these quotes by you and Israeli- you will read the underline portion that REALLY BOTHERS ME!

What I don't like is the fact that you and Israeli seem to be just so far right that you consider any liberal as a "closet commie".

It really pisses me off when you conservatives don't differentiate between liberals and commies- we are very different.

Sure, Liberals believe in regulating the market, but they don't believe in doing away with it altogether! Geez, if you look at the time of US President Clinton- who by the way is a Democrat/Liberal President- you will see that the 1990s era under his leadership were among the most prosperous times for the United States, in part because Clinton balanced the budget and because Clinton focused on remedying the lagging US economy while his predecessor Bush Sr. didnt! And also I believe that Health Care should continually be at the public expense and available to all citizens/permanent residents, and not subject to the "hand of the market" as it is with US Medical Care- that's what you'll find if you watch the movie "Sicko" by Michael Moore. Medical care is a right, NOT a priviliege!

Alright, I'll admit it was wrong for me to pressure you in the way I did in Personal Message to you, but I just don't like the insensitive way you classify Liberals and commies as being the same!

And if you really are an agent for CSIS- which means you are a naturalized Canadian citizen who had to read Canadian history in order to pass the citizenship- you would be aware of former Prime Minister Trudeau's vision of "Multiculturalism" that he tried to apply in Canada during his era, which made Canada the diverse and dynamic society it is now. That makes Canada a more welcoming place for immigrants than the United States is nowadays!

I admire that Liberal view partially because of my disappointment with my US venture and partially because I am an immigrant myself- but my main point of contention/conflict with Conservatives is that Canadian conservatives have been traditonally against immigration.

If you go to the Canadian Forces forum www.army.ca and www.milnet.ca, you will read certain posts and threads that focus on why people at that forum- the majority of whom are white, Anglo-Saxon Protestant Canadians and xenophobic Quebecois- are generally resentful of immigration not only because it takes their jobs away, but because they hate the "Multiculturalism" vision of Trudeau which is turning the Canada their forefathers knew into a place full of non-European, immigrant enclaves for immigrants who don't even speak English, such as the Chinese, Indians, Vietnamese, etc. - which they obviously resent if you search for a thread under the term "Multiculturalism" in those forums above.

It was my intention not to insult you personally- but I just don't like it when Liberals are confused with Commies! Watch your tongue and be considerate if you are going to start spewing McCarthy-style political accusations around.

**********
Now that all this is done, will anyone else besides CityHunter say anything about the option of Russian airlifters for PAF service???

CSIS agents like me, MSantor are considered outcasts by Human Resources managers and employees who work for Cuban, Chinese, Russian and Frence intelligence. We end up getting fired while these HRs are well entrenched in their positions. Chinese agents have all the perks like houses and cars plus their opulent Chinese husbands running their wives while we end up homeless, either on Employment Insurance, begging on the streets, panhandling. CSIS agents like me are discredited as CSIS by chinese spies to lower our esteem and deny us of our vested rights ( like "if you are really CSIS....)but are discreetly identified as CSIS by Chinese agents to the public as a means of compromise. Some of us end up dismissed, end up as pandhandlers, end up homeless, and murdered on the streets like the latest one in Toronto. They have the habit of provoking me by "cough, cough, cough" like you do which i encourage to maintain my cover. One of HOnasan's campaign manager lunged at me with a knife which i was able to parry and then ran away.One suspected selfconfessed NOrth Korean-Chinese gay-spy has the habit of mounting "pop colas" on my table and doing all sorts of provocative gestures and statements which if legally construed are acts of solicitations for sex just like the case of the Republican Senator. Sweatshop junkie North Korean was run by his boss in sweatshop.These HRs are completely liable for torts and damages but we decide to let them pass for the benefit of our God saved bosses and God saved supervisors. They discreetly acknowledge harrassment and provocation by their like minded but deny it in front of our bosses. Deportations are better solutions so that they will no longer create trouble here in Canada.
"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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Ask ko lang, how successful ba ang pagpalit ng engine at electronics ng mga Russian machines? Meron kasi ilang East European machines na di ba ginagamit dito sa atin. Kung successful naman siguro ang mga yun baka pwede natin gawin rin on others especially sa military applications. Would be nice to make those Russian airlifters compatible with what we have.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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Poland is quite successful in incorporating Russian and Eiropean technologies in its military equipment.
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The T-80 is a main battle tank which was designed in the Soviet Union and entered service in 1976. A development of the T-64, it was the first production tank in the world to be equipped with a gas turbine engine for main propulsion (the Stridsvagn 103 used a supplementary gas turbine by 1971). An advanced derivative, the T-84, continues to be produced in Ukraine. The T-80 and its variants are in service in Belarus, Cyprus, Pakistan, Russia, South Korea, and Ukraine.

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T-80
Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Soviet Union
Specifications
Weight 46 tonnes
Length 7.01 m
Width 3.60 m
Height 2.20 m
Crew 3 (driver, gunner, commander)

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Armour composite armour
Primary
armament 125 mm 2A46 smoothbore gun
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm PKT coaxial machine gun
12.7 mm NSVT anti-aircraft machine gun
Engine gas turbine
1,250 hp (930 kW)
Power/weight 27 hp/tonne (20 kW/tonne)
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range 335 km,
600 km with extra tanks
Speed 70 km/h (road)
48 km/h (off-road)
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