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Shall we go Russian?
Topic Started: Aug 28 2004, 02:35 PM (13,383 Views)
Zero wing
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I know comrade we need mobile self propelled artillery right so the paladin is a great for the job but i just point it out it can even replace the aging Scorpion tanks
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MSantor
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Zero wing
Aug 8 2007, 09:00 PM
I know comrade we need mobile self propelled artillery right so the paladin is a great for the job but i just point it out it can even replace the aging Scorpion tanks

Zero,

The Paladin is not optimized for use as a tank, although it can reportedly load TOW missiles into its artillery barrel for anti-tank use. However, it is still lightly armored compared to conventional tanks and would be a moving funeral pyre waiting to happen if it's hit by a 125mm armor-piercing shell. Paladins would also be too slow for tank warfare and would be too cumbersome in Philippine jungles or mountain roads.



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epigone
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Aug 8 2007, 01:44 PM

Zero Wing,

The M109A5/A6 Paladin IS NOT A TANK!!! It's a self-propelled artillery platform!!!

The Philippine Army needs new artillery, but they don't have to be Paladins when you can get similar self-propelled guns like the just as effective M110, used by many countries such as South Korea.

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I agree with you, Sir israeli! The closet commie liberals are screwing us up.


Epigone,

You're really are paranoid, man! You blame the Liberals for everything! And Liberals/Democrats are NOT the same thing as Commies! :armyroleyes:

Just because someone is pro-union does not make them a commie, so how can unions be commies if they just want better wages? If they rebelled, they would be destroying the source of their income! Also, just because someone wants to regulate business does not mean they want to get rid of it altogether. That's why the US has such a burgeoning economy but regulates it with laws like anti-trust laws! Look at Clinton and how he encouraged trade with China- and now China is more capitalist than communist now since the CCP is accepting more entrepreneurs into its ranks! hehehe...

In the same way that you see govt. agencies as subject to corruption, so are giant Corporate Conglomerates- they are NOT infallible! Liberals believe in rights, not privilieges... and some of the most versatile American Liberals in history were also staunchly anti-communist, such as US Presidents FDR, Harry Truman and JFK.

While the politics of the Philippines are not as polarized as in they are the US and Canada, I think some of what I said still applies...

Being Liberal is not being left- it is about a balance. I'll leave it to you to figure out this last sentence I said.

You're really PARANOID, Epigone...now please take your political rants to the Politics thread or elsewhere!


Ewann...the quality of the postings at PDFF is starting to go down with political ranters like this guy and amateurs who post like one sentence just to voice agreement or whatever in barely understandable English...

How many times had you travelled to China to study Mandarin. One liberal stalwart is identified to be a Chinese spy. I wish I was able to tape the conversation. There are a lot of Chinese agents of influence in Vancouver. Prime Minister Harper numbered them to a thousand. The illegitimate daughter of Sison is a Chinese immigrant whose immigration papers was found to be in limbo. I am not paranoid. You probably telling that to me because of Sison's illegitimate daughter who is a Chinese spy. Confirmed by higher authorities and hurriedly left the country because she was busted. Kung yung mga best spycatchers in the world from Dearlove to Dagan to Victor Corpus eh bilib na bilib sa akin, Ikaw pa :headbang:

You "twist my arm" forcing me to reply to your post. I got apprehensive so I replied. How come after replying, you browsed to my reply and logged out of the forum hurriedly without replying. You force me to reply. You should reply too. It's not a matter of free speech but out of decorum and good faith.
"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Soviet Union
Specifications
Weight 36.6 tonnes
Length 6.45 m
Width 3.27 m
Height 2.40 m
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)

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Armor 200 mm turret, 120 mm hull
Primary
armament 100 mm D-10T series rifled gun
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm SGMT coaxial machine gun, DShK 12.7 mm antiaircraft machine gun, 7.62 mm hull machine gun (T-54)
Engine Model V-54 or V-55 12-cyl. 38.88 liter water-cooled diesel
520 hp (390 kW)
Power/weight 14 hp/tonne
Suspension Torsion bar
Operational
range 400/500 km, with drop tanks 600 km
Speed 48/50 km/h

Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Soviet Union
Specifications
Weight 36.6 tonnes
Length 6.45 m
Width 3.27 m
Height 2.40 m
Crew 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)

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Armor 200 mm turret, 120 mm hull
Primary
armament 100 mm D-10T series rifled gun
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm SGMT coaxial machine gun, DShK 12.7 mm antiaircraft machine gun, 7.62 mm hull machine gun (T-54)
Engine Model V-54 or V-55 12-cyl. 38.88 liter water-cooled diesel
520 hp (390 kW)
Power/weight 14 hp/tonne
Suspension Torsion bar
Operational
range 400/500 km, with drop tanks 600 km
Speed 48/50 km/h

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epigone
Aug 13 2007, 10:44 PM

You "twist my arm" forcing me to reply to your post. I got apprehensive so I replied. How come after replying, you browsed to my reply and logged out of the forum hurriedly without replying. You force me to reply. You should reply too. It's not a matter of free speech but out of decorum and good faith.

Twist your arm??? Excuse me? You don't even bring any evidence of this or cite any sources- in MLA format- in your reply.

Honestly, I am tired of this ideological crap you sometimes spew on here. Please stay on topic if you are on gonna post on threads like this or keep your tripe to the Philippines Politics or World Politics thread of PDFF.

Speaking of Russian equipment, has anyone considered any heavy Russian airlifters such as the IL-76 Candid instead of American planes? Cost could be a factor in the PAF's favor. Any thoughts?
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
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Aug 14 2007, 09:14 AM
epigone
Aug 13 2007, 10:44 PM

You "twist my arm" forcing me to reply to your post. I got apprehensive so I replied. How come after replying, you browsed to my reply and logged out of the forum hurriedly without replying. You force me to reply. You should reply too. It's not a matter of free speech but out of decorum and good faith.

Twist your arm??? Excuse me? You don't even bring any evidence of this or cite any sources- in MLA format- in your reply.

Honestly, I am tired of this ideological crap you sometimes spew on here. Please stay on topic if you are on gonna post on threads like this or keep your tripe to the Philippines Politics or World Politics thread of PDFF.

Speaking of Russian equipment, has anyone considered any heavy Russian airlifters such as the IL-76 Candid instead of American planes? Cost could be a factor in the PAF's favor. Any thoughts?

Your pressure-ladened email! I didn't know that you are also a liar. Administrators have a copy of your email to me forcing me to reply.
"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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MSantor
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How am I lying? aber? All I did was send you an e-mail asking you to reply- I don't see how my e-mail was twisting your arm- although all I did was state a fact in the e-mail by calling you paranoid. And the fact that your last response here is so terse and only focuses on accusing me of being a liar AVOIDS THE ISSUE OF YOU POSTING ALL THESE SO CALLED ALLEGATIONS OF SPIES EVERYWHERE- where is your evidence? AND IF SO, do you have sources/URLs you can copy and paste here in proper format, such as MLA format for text sources?

So far all you've given is what you've heard or what you take for fact without posting any source.

Stop acting like you're some secret govt. agent...I hate posers! No genuine govt. agent would break OPSEC by even posting on here! SHEESH!!!!

I am here to learn and everyone here has something to contribute- but please stop posting this ideological crap about whether liberals or conservatives or whoever is conspiring against who...THIS IS JUST NOT THE PLACE FOR IT!!!

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Now, is anyone going to comment on the feasibility of Russian medium and heavy airlifter aircraft for the PAF or what?????
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
- Winston Churchill


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Maganda sana ang BMP especially amphibious pa siya but the fuel problem niya medyo negative. Nasa pintuan ang fuel tanks at masyadong vulnerable. Ma-switch off man yun pag natamaan naman ng RPG lechon lahat ng nakasakay. Kaya pala marami sumasakay na lang sa itaas para mas mabilis mag-eskapo. Gawin na lang parang amphibious transpo tulad ng gamit ng marines.

Pwede na siguro yun midget versions ng T55 something ng China for us problem lang ay fuel efficiency and ammo compatability. It may be better for us to look for other surpluses na lang. Like yun sa Sweden tulad ng parang M113 version nila.

As for the heavy lifter for the PAF ok yun mga gawang Russia. Hindi nga lang alam ng kid sister ko ang mga aircrafts but her old boss also has an air freight company that has its own big aircrafts. Yun daw ginamit to bring in MRT daw. I doubt its an American military version kaya malamang Russian as malabo naman ang European as super expensive ang mga yun.
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Ang type ko na Russian heavy lifter ay yun version nila ng Skycrane sana. Yun kaya magdala ng container modules (forgot what they are properly called).
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

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Although our friends na Thai at ang mga pesky Malaysians went for the BMP dapat huwag tayo gumaya ng basta-basta. We both know that corruption plays a big part rin in their decision making. That sickness isn't isolated to us and Indonesia lang. Medyo pangit nga tignan na puro US equipment lagi inaasahan natin but at least the corruption level ay ma-control (if only one squeals tagilid agad ang US company - problem lang will the squealer live) and as konti lang pera natin at major ally pa natin US (despite parang hindi ata patas ang pagtingin nila sa atin) maganda yun compatability angle.

What may be in order for us is to get some samples which we could evaluate and copy from. Tulad nang ginagawa ng Indonesians with the advanced Sukhois. Kaya naman at may existing armored vehicle industry tayo kaya magagamit natin ang technology for our benefit. I for one would like to turn our old M113s to something like what the Swedes have. Yun mga iba pang sirang asset i-modify ang taas na lang but keep the chassis the same. Just adjust the top part for better performance to suit our kind of need.
Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance.

Gen. Eric K. Shinseki
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