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| UH-1H-II Hueys and the PAF; re-titled | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 23 2004, 06:12 PM (5,543 Views) | |
| Boombanger | Aug 23 2004, 06:12 PM Post #1 |
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The first UH-1H-II upgrade to operate in Asia was delivered to the PAF's 505th Rescue Squadron on February 17, 2004. Are there no other deliveries of the 1H-II that followed this pioneering helo? |
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| Guest | Aug 23 2004, 08:59 PM Post #2 |
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UH II upgrade put on hold pending allocation of budget |
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| Spidey | Aug 23 2004, 09:18 PM Post #3 |
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Huey II upgrade costs up to $1,200,000 dollars US. Upgrading to Huey II should be a priority program of PAF. The price is reasonable enough for the benefits achieved by the upgrades. :aberet: |
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| Switik | Aug 24 2004, 05:52 PM Post #4 |
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Its already a priority program. The problem is how to prioritize the funds. So little for so much is coming PAF's way.
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| aldon | Aug 24 2004, 06:40 PM Post #5 |
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The pic shows what will be replaced by the Huey I Upgrade Kit. As long as the main airframe is intact, there is still a chance to upgrade even mothballed Hueys into Huey IIs. ![]() More info, including benefits of the Huey II, @ Uniflight Huey II Modernization |
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| Alamid | Aug 24 2004, 07:29 PM Post #6 |
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Exactly. The Huey II delivered to 505thSAR as reported by Boombanger came off the assembly line in 1966. This Huey, tail no 66-00890, saw action with the US Army in Vietnam, was transferred to Japan then to Thailand and finally to the Philippines in 1992. 66890 was flown by the PAF in various combat operations from 1992 to 2003 when it was selected for upgrading to Huey II specs. If I remember right, Colombia has now 12 operational Huey IIs. Our Air Force should also strive hard to have at least 11 more Hueys for upgrading to the II standard, for $13 million more to be allocated from the $180-million AFP fund reportedly available for modernization and upgrades.
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| apo lakay | Aug 26 2004, 08:02 AM Post #7 |
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the PAF hueyII was not delivered from another country. it was an indegenous project. which the PAF 410th maintenance wing did in clark. other UH-1H or 205 family helicopter users have not done this yet in asia. some have have technical expertise on other aircraft like indonesia's license-produced PUMA,N412 (IPTN built bell412) or they dont need to upgrade their bell 205-family fleet because they are exempt from the US armys dropping of cutting support for the aircraft sing they have license to build them themselves. including license-huilt 205 (UH-1)-family helicopters in taiwan, japan, australia. or other countries can simply upgrade the aircraft themselves like singapore. other countries that are thinking about the "huey2" upgrade is thailand and malaysia. malaysia has although purchased russian MI-8/17s, and promises of more to come. thailand and the philippines will be the most likely to upgrade to "huey2", thailand recently received US-upgraded versions (30 units i think) , but i dont know if they are "huey2" upgrades. hueyII upgrade is a kit that can be ordered and delivered through bell, or u can send ur old UH-1 then they do the upgrade themselves. in the PAF case, the story starts when PGM arroyo visited the bell-textron plant in teh US on her state visit , later demonstration examples were flown in from japan, and the PAF did evaluations, later they choose it to be the future of the philippine helicopter force. 1 lready upgraded, "several" (according to PAF statements) are already in the process of converted, and the PAF hopes 10 converted late-2004, early 2005. philippines has fallen behind from other countries that have "hueyII" upgrades. mexico, brazil, bolivia, peru have all upgraded some, not all in their fleet. the US plan colombia funded the purchase of 25 "hueyII" kits the colombian airforce, colombian national police gets first priotrity. the colombians have also done upgrades of their own prior to US plan colombia, which is why 38 has already been upgraded to this standard according to acig.org. lookie here |
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| apo lakay | Aug 27 2004, 08:25 AM Post #8 |
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my mistake, colombia has gotten more from plan colombia. the US funded the purchase of 42 Huey II upgrades. 30 for the colombian army /airforce, 12 for the national police. fas.org. again they had hueyII upgrade even before plan colombia, 38 airforce units now upgraded to this standard. what i like about the "hueyII"..among other things is that it can carry almost 650 pounds more pounds than a regular huey. this means more trooops to be carried (if there is space) or more cargo in resupply missions (space permitting again). or it can carry the regular 10-12 combat troops in a uh-1, but it can be armed with 7-tube 2.75 rocket launchers (as in the MG-520) and 7.62NATO or .50 caliber gun pods (again rocket launchers and machine gun pods combination are typical in MG-520s). or even miniguns. this way, a hueyII can drop off troops, provide CAS/gunship roles, without calling for MG-520s, which would allow them to be used elsewhere. what i would like to know however is whether the hueyII comes with NVG-compatible cockpit and controls, as standard equipm,ent. the US -refurbished donated examples (refurbishment and shipping costs paid for by pinoy taxpayers), as well as the thai US-refurbished examples i talked about were fitted with NVG-compatible controls and cockpit. but i dont know if it is standard for the hueyII. |
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| teknogeek | Aug 27 2004, 09:56 AM Post #9 |
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my query is why is ist then that the huey II was assigned to SAR duty when its more useful for combat operations? |
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| apo lakay | Aug 29 2004, 11:42 AM Post #10 |
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well maybe thres not enough helicopters for the 505th rescue squadron, while other AF helicopter squadrons are getting 20 STI-refurbished uh-1h, not to mention 10 to come this year to be cannibalized to increase availability rate and reactivate some stored units, and the PAF's request of 50 "working" UH-1h from surplus US stocks. while the 505th rescue squadron only has a scant force of 9 helicopters to cover the WHOLE philippines, as of 1996. thats alot of land and water to cover. RGM arroyo has even allowed some B-412s, to be put on reserve for SAR operations. in my opinion SAR helicpters should be twin-engined helicopters not single-engined like the hueyII. this means either either buy more B-412 which the PAF already has experience with or to refurbish the S-76 fleet, since there is a high number in storage waiting for funds (14 stored, 4 operational). |
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Its already a priority program. The problem is how to prioritize the funds. So little for so much is coming PAF's way.



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