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Are PMAayers the cause
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 8 2004, 06:14 PM (3,761 Views)
shadowsniper	Sep 13 2004, 01:21 PM Post #21
Member Posts: 226 Group: Regulars Member #120 Joined: September 8, 2004	Ascendancy Sep 13 2004, 12:38 PM I tried to go against the tide when I was still in the service but It got me nothing but backwater assignments and the expected freeze in promotions. I have no regrets nor do I harbor ill-feelings, but what I am worrying now is the state of our armed forces. To the "good tomatoes" I have this question: WHEN WILL CONDONING THE SHENANIGANS OF YOUR MISTAHS STOP? consider this hypothetical scenario.. if you're a new graduate from PMA, idealistic ka pa.. you want to have a perfect society, you want to change the sytem to have a truly professional AFP and you want to create changes inside the sytem of the military institution.. why? because of idealism..but always officers will say to them,"wait till you become." now if that graduate reaches the rank of col or gen, when the probability of promotion is relevant to the number of your friends from politicians in the Commision of Appointment.. realistic na siya.. why would you change a system that the politicians and yourself benefited from.. what about your family, career or political ambition? would you sacrifice everything for idealism? kaya mo bang ipakain ang idealism sa family mo? as long as politics will not stay away from military institution and senior officers will not be professional then idealism will always go to drain...what we need is an objective civilian control over the military and not subjective.. changes from the bureaucracy must be implemented for us to have a corruption free military.. now,the conclusion of the matter is.. when reality bites.. idealism slowy fades away...
	"The important things are always simple and the simple are always hard." LET'S GO ARMY!!!


adroth	Sep 16 2004, 03:59 AM Post #22
Member Posts: 1,127 Group: Regulars Member #13 Joined: July 12, 2004	shadowsniper Sep 13 2004, 01:21 PM Ascendancy Sep 13 2004, 12:38 PM as long as politics will not stay away from military institution and senior officers will not be professional then idealism will always go to drain... What organization, civilian or military, government or private sector, is immune from politics? To blame the current political state of the AFP completely on Marcos and the Vanguards is absurd. Politics is ingrained in the Filipino -- remember, even the early revolutionaries (Bonifacio - Aguinaldo) were at each other's throats because of politics. This was my point when I pointed out the presence of a West Pointer. Put two people in an organization in competition for a promotion, and you will always end up with some form of political maneuvering . . . especially from the one who knows he can't compete on merit alone.
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flipzi	Sep 24 2004, 07:34 PM Post #23
Unregistered	...... AND THEY ARE HOT TEMPERED. They get easily insulted. Its a manifestation of inferiority .... if it ain't just a result of battle exposures. THEY THINK THEY KNOW ENOUGH. Maybe it's one of the reasons why those 4ID DRCs got murdered. Check a series of quotations from the SR website. Click here Strike Musangs then go to REALTHING page.
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Singa Lion	Sep 24 2004, 07:39 PM Post #24
Member Posts: 343 Group: Regulars Member #20 Joined: July 13, 2004	good site flipzi :thumb: sad to say we singaporeans canot make a site with real combat although we have the best equipped armed forces in south east asia...i reall like our goverment to send combat troops to iraq and afghanistan so singaporean gain experience
	The SAF is an armed force , not a civilian corporation. Its mission is to defeat its enemies, ruthlessly and completely. Its an instrument of controlled fury, designed to visit death and destruction of its foes...soldiers must have steel in their souls ..must learn in war to kill and not to flinch, to destroy and not to feel pity, to be a flaming sword in the righteous cause of national survival. -BG Lee , 1984


flipzi	Sep 24 2004, 08:12 PM Post #25
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	Thanks for the compliment! Hey, buddy. You should be thankful for not seeing your govt sending troops to Iraq. IT'S COMPLICATED. You have to consider that your country is reaping the bounty of economic progress today. If the Al-Qaeda recognizes you as a target, then imagine the catastrophic consequences it would create. There are other areas where you can send your troops to do your part in UN's missions...... but better be not at this time and not in Iraq at this time. :thumb:
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


flipzi	Sep 24 2004, 10:13 PM Post #26
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


Guest	Sep 24 2004, 10:19 PM Post #27
Unregistered	By the way, Being a PMAer isn't precisely the problem here. It's about what some of them have become... ..... and the ideals, tactics and strategies that some commanders are still bent on using. LET'S NOT TRY TO DEMORALIZE THE PMAers HERE. LET'S NOT EVEN LET OURSELVES BE THE SOURCE OF INSULTS TO THE SOLDIERS INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THE OPERATIONAL PLAN WITH REGARD TO THE AGUSAN ENCOUNTER. THE CREATION OF A "DIVISION RECON COY OR DRC" IS STILL A MANIFESTATION OF THE GENERAL'S PURSUIT OF IMPROVING THE CAPABILITIES OF THEIR ORGANIZATION. THE AGUSAN ACCIDENT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN ANOTHER CASE OF AN ENCOUNTER WHEREIN EVEN THE BEST OF SOLDIERS WOULD NOT SURVIVE BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING FACTOR OR FACTORS, WHATEVER THESE ARE, THAT DICTATED THE COURSE OF THAT INCIDENT PROOVED TO BE INSURMOUNTABLE. LET'S PRAY THAT THESE MILITARY MEN ON THE OTHER HAND WILL BE RECEPTIVE AND HUMBLE ENOUGH TO DECIPHER WHAT THIS SERIES OF MESSAGES IS TRYING TO PUT ACCROSS. MAY THIS MISTAHs TAKE OUR WORDS CONSTRUCTIVELY.
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flipzi	Sep 24 2004, 10:20 PM Post #28
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	By the way, Being a PMAer isn't precisely the problem here. It's about what some of them have become... ..... and the ideals, tactics and strategies that some commanders are still bent on using. LET'S NOT TRY TO DEMORALIZE THE PMAers HERE. LET'S NOT EVEN LET OURSELVES BE THE SOURCE OF INSULTS TO THE SOLDIERS INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THE OPERATIONAL PLAN WITH REGARD TO THE AGUSAN ENCOUNTER. THE CREATION OF A "DIVISION RECON COY OR DRC" IS STILL A MANIFESTATION OF THE GENERAL'S PURSUIT OF IMPROVING THE CAPABILITIES OF THEIR ORGANIZATION. THE AGUSAN ACCIDENT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN ANOTHER CASE OF AN ENCOUNTER WHEREIN EVEN THE BEST OF SOLDIERS WOULD NOT SURVIVE BECAUSE OF THE OVERWHELMING FACTOR OR FACTORS, WHATEVER THESE ARE, THAT DICTATED THE COURSE OF THAT INCIDENT PROVED TO BE TOO INSURMOUNTABLE. LET'S PRAY THAT THESE MILITARY MEN ON THE OTHER HAND WILL BE RECEPTIVE AND HUMBLE ENOUGH TO DECIPHER WHAT THIS SERIES OF MESSAGES IS TRYING TO PUT ACCROSS. MAY THESE MISTAHs TAKE OUR WORDS CONSTRUCTIVELY.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


Domini	Sep 25 2004, 11:11 AM Post #29
Unregistered	and why should they be demoralized with the comments here, they are supposed to be both psychologically and physically stable and should be affected by the posts here...some are valid anyway especially the one about good pmayers doing nothing against bad pmayers
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flipzi	Sep 26 2004, 04:05 PM Post #30
R-A-T-S Posts: 8,213 Group: Elite Member #71 Joined: August 8, 2004	They aren't that emotionally stable, ..... that's because of the grim realities they've encountered while performing their duties. I've proven that many times. hehehe .... learned a lot from those too! :thumb: DAMN....YOU ARE RIGHT! GOOD PMAers ARE NOT DOING ENOUGH WITH REGARD TO THESE BAD MISTAHS. OH WELL, :whogives: LET'S JUST LET THE COURSE OF THEIR BATTLES STATE THE VERDICT FOR THESE BAD GUYS.
	" Sovereignty resides in the people and all government authority emanates from them! - Art. II Sec 1, Philippine Constitution " " People don't care what we know until they know we care. " getflipzi@yahoo.com


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