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| durandal | Sep 25 2004, 01:40 PM Post #31 |
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| didu | Oct 31 2004, 09:31 AM Post #32 |
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ct 30, 2:41 PM (ET) By RAWYA RAGEH NEAR FALLUJAH, Iraq (AP) - A car bomb killed eight U.S. Marines outside Fallujah on Saturday, the deadliest attack against the U.S. military in nearly six months. Marines pounded guerrilla positions out the outskirts of Fallujah, where American forces are gearing up for a major assault on the insurgent stronghold. In Baghdad, another car bomb exploded outside an Arabic television network's offices, killing seven people and injuring 19 in the biggest attack against a news organization since the occupation began last year. South of the capital, witnesses said a U.S. convoy came under attack, prompting Iraqi forces to open fire randomly and throw hand grenades, hitting three minibuses and three vans. Hospital officials said at least 14 people were killed. The Marine deaths came when a car bomb went off next to a truck southwest of Baghdad, between the capital and Fallujah, said Maj. Clark Watson, with the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force. Nine other Marines were wounded in the attack in western Anbar province, which includes Fallujah and other insurgent strongholds, the military said. It was the biggest number of American military deaths in a single day since May 2, when nine U.S. troops were killed in separate mortar attacks and roadside bombings in Baghdad, Ramadi and Kirkuk. American forces are preparing for a major assault on the rebel bastion of Fallujah in an effort to restore control to a swath of Sunni Muslim towns north and west of the capital ahead of crucial national elections due by Jan. 31. On Saturday, insurgents fired mortars at Marine positions outside Fallujah. U.S. troops responded with "the strongest artillery barrage in recent weeks," according to Marine spokesman 1st Lt. Lyle Gilbert. Later in the afternoon, a Marine Harrier jet bombed a guerrilla mortar position inside Fallujah, then strafed it with machine-gun fire, Gilbert said. He had no reports of insurgent casualties. Crowds of Iraqis peered skyward as a pair of warplanes circled over the rebel-held city, where large explosions rumbled Saturday afternoon. Insurgents fired rockets and mortars toward U.S. Marine positions. source |
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| Singa Lion | Nov 1 2004, 01:38 PM Post #33 |
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hahaha funny but most powerful army gets clobberred by car bombs only.. 
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 The SAF is an armed force , not a civilian corporation. Its mission is to defeat its enemies, ruthlessly and completely. Its an instrument of controlled fury, designed to visit death and destruction of its foes...soldiers must have steel in their souls ..must learn in war to kill and not to flinch, to destroy and not to feel pity, to be a flaming sword in the righteous cause of national survival. -BG Lee , 1984 | |
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| adroth | Nov 2 2004, 01:51 AM Post #34 |
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Which goes to show that hi-tech is meaningless in a counter-insurgency campaign. |
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| Singa Lion | Nov 2 2004, 11:22 AM Post #35 |
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not what i mean about equipment...its bec the us soldiers always use humvees in patrolling with limited dismounted patrol they are so reluctant to conduct foot patrols where the chance of a bomb killing a whole patrol at the same time is lesser compared to riding around in humvees |
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The SAF is an armed force , not a civilian corporation. Its mission is to defeat its enemies, ruthlessly and completely. Its an instrument of controlled fury, designed to visit death and destruction of its foes...soldiers must have steel in their souls ..must learn in war to kill and not to flinch, to destroy and not to feel pity, to be a flaming sword in the righteous cause of national survival. -BG Lee , 1984 | |
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| adroth | Nov 3 2004, 02:43 AM Post #36 |
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Wow. When did you conduct your inspection of US operations in Iraq? How was the trip? . . . or was that another arm chair assessment? |
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| Singa Lion | Nov 3 2004, 10:27 AM Post #37 |
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funny adroth but you shouldn't become emotional, its not good...you should look into posts objectively and without emotion... ok its just armchair assesment but i read a lot and visit military boards to familiarize myself with military matters at least before i join singapore national service.. i read in one article by usmc gen. zinni about the need for us soldiers in iraq to dismount from their vehicles and conduct more foot patrols..like the british soldiers do in their areas... l |
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The SAF is an armed force , not a civilian corporation. Its mission is to defeat its enemies, ruthlessly and completely. Its an instrument of controlled fury, designed to visit death and destruction of its foes...soldiers must have steel in their souls ..must learn in war to kill and not to flinch, to destroy and not to feel pity, to be a flaming sword in the righteous cause of national survival. -BG Lee , 1984 | |
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| adroth | Nov 3 2004, 12:01 PM Post #38 |
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| ColdDeadFish | Nov 3 2004, 04:08 PM Post #39 |
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That is one of the lessons we learned 30 years ago, the AFP/PC-INP used to conduct mounted patrols and are easily ambushed by command deto mines and recoiless rifles. So the Army and the SR change the tactic a bit in the mid 80s, they assigned riders and walkers along armored columns. There was two-fold intent in doing so 1. The walkers scour the lateral area where the armored/mechanized columns traverse. Ambush sites are reconed and lateral security is provided on low speed transit areas. 2. If there is immediate contact, walkers detach from Armor/mechanized elements and quickly implement their infrantry tactics of choice, armored/mechanized units is treated as if they are a solid infantry sub unit, their riders dismount they become their integrated walkers. Key point there is coordination and the reversal of roles. In the past, normally, when in contact walkers stick to the armor as it becomes a static pillbox/firing bunker but in the advent of anti armor weapons and techniques this a sure way to die. Static armor is an RPG magnet, armor and mechnized units whould be used what they are best at maneuver and and volume of fire at a faster speed of delivery. If armor coordinates its movement with infantry (not the other way around) armor and mechanized units is the fastest way to mount a counter attack. I attribute most of the US casualties of Iraq to poor employment of armor and mechanized units. The US forces obviously have poor mechanized unit transit planning. Most CNN videos shown have infantry units protecting armor instead of the other way around. The british is good using these tactics, which they copied from the Germans in North Africa in 42 and polished it in Aden & North Borneo in the 50s. Even better, the Isrealis employed mechanized units against armored units by just utilizing accurate fire, speed and maneuver. Just imagine recoiless rifles mounted on armor reinforced jeeps tangling with tanks, They were more worried about small arms fire than the tank guns. I think this is the single biggest innovation made by the IDF and made Ariel Sharon one of the brightest thinkers of the IDF in its early days. COIN is a very different scenario, RP has learned their lessons and has duly adapted to them. The current testament is that most COIN engagements where the insurgents engage AFP forces are on non built up areas and mountains as they have no chance in engaging the AFP units once they have employed armor. The US forces have a thing to learn from the RP. |
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| fieldmouse | May 12 2005, 06:27 PM Post #40 |
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Insurgents prove fierce in firefight Marines recount harrowing attack as offensive rages on By ELLEN KNICKMEYER The Washington Post May 11. 2005 8:00AM J ARAMI, Iraq - Screaming "Allahu Akbar" to the end, the foreign fighters lay on their backs in a narrow crawl space under a house and blasted their machine guns up through the concrete floor with bullets designed to penetrate tanks. They fired at U.S. Marines, driving back wave after wave as the Americans tried to retrieve a fallen comrade. Through Sunday night and into Monday morning, the foreign fighters fired on, their screaming voices gradually fading to just one. In the end, it took five Marine assaults, grenades, a tank firing bunker-busting artillery rounds, 500-pound bombs unleashed by an F/A-18 attack plane and a point-blank attack by a rocket launcher to quell them. The Marines got their fallen man, suffering one more dead and at least five wounded in the process. And according to survivors of the battle, the foreign fighters near the Syrian border proved to be everything their reputation had suggested: fierce, determined and lethal to the last. "They came here to die," said Gunnery Sgt. Chuck Hurley, commander of the team from the 1st Platoon, Lima Company, of the Marines' 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, that battled the insurgents in the one-story house in Ubaydi, about 15 miles east of the Syrian border. "They were willing to stay in place and die with no hope," Hurley said yesterday. "All they wanted was to take us with them." The fighting that began Sunday in Ubaydi was an unplanned opening phase of a massive Marine offensive in Iraq's far northwest against the foreign fighters who U.S. and Iraqi commanders say are crossing the Syrian border to join the Iraqi insurgency. By Monday, more than 1,000 Marines backed by Cobra helicopters and Hornet warplanes were pouring into an area north of the Euphrates River where few American troops and no Iraqi forces have been for at least a year. U.S. commanders say they believe that foreigner leaders of the insurgency have established a refuge north of the Euphrates they use to channel incoming fighters, arms and support to insurgents in the rest of Iraq. "We're taking down an enemy safe haven," said Lt. Col. Tim Mundy, commander of the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Regiment, which along with the 3rd Battalion, 25th Regiment, did the bulk of the fighting at Ubaydi. U.S. officers say the most-wanted insurgent leader in Iraq, Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, is being sheltered among tribal leaders in Haditha and Hit, two towns 80 and 110 miles downriver. The Americans say al-Zarqawi was almost caught in February at a checkpoint between the towns. Other sightings since have placed him in other towns on the south side of the Euphrates. In Haqlaniyah, al-Zarqawi felt bold enough to preach a sermon at a mosque, according to at least one report to U.S. forces. U.S and Iraqi officials blame al-Zarqawi and other foreign fighters for many of the insurgency's bloodiest attacks, including suicide bombings that are claiming dozens of lives almost daily in Iraq. Fighting continued yesterday north of the Euphrates, where the Marines' heavy-caliber weapons, mortars and artillery could be heard booming across the green river at dusk. At least three Marines have been killed in the offensive. Marine Col. Stephen Davis, commander of Marine Regimental Combat Team 2, said he believed at least 75 foreign fighters were killed Sunday alone, after the offensive opened prematurely with the clash at Ubaydi. At noon Sunday, Marines were waiting on the bank of the Euphrates for U.S. Army engineers to finish erecting a temporary bridge when insurgents opened fire from Ubaydi, less than a mile away. They fired AK-47 assault rifles at helicopter gunships overhead and pounded the waiting Marines with mortar rounds - including one that landed yards from a Humvee carrying the commanding officers of the operation. The Marines pressed against the walls of a ruined home for protection and waited for the mortars to stop. When they did, one officer said: "Let's go to Ubaydi." Lima Company and a company from the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Regiment, entered the town. Insurgents - dozens of them, Marines said later - met them with AK-47 fire and rocket-propelled grenades. In the first hours, one Marine was killed and at least seven were wounded. Lima Company battled its way through town, at one point exchanging fire with fighters on a mosque rooftop and forcing them down. The mosque loudspeakers screamed Arabic that the Marines could not understand, but they said that since it was past time for prayers, they assumed the loudspeakers were rallying forces for attack. According to Hurley and others who recounted the fighting that followed, Lima Company's Marines searched each house they passed. They turned up weapons cache after weapons cache: bombs made to be dropped from airplanes, a bicycle with a seat made of explosives and an antenna for remote-control triggering, a vest rigged with explosives, a car rigged with bombs, mortar tubes, rocket launchers with new backpacks full of rockets, artillery shells. The costly equipment, as well as body armor later recovered from the bodies of dead insurgents, suggested that the fighters were foreigners, the military said. Though the level of foreigners' involvement in the insurgency has been disputed for nearly two years, Muslim men have come to Iraq from neighboring countries such as Saudi Arabia and from as far away as Chechnya and Indonesia to fight the United States and its allies. The Marines also found Soviet-designed PKM machine guns and belts of armor-piercing ammunition. In contrast, Lima Company was armed with M-16 assault rifles and carried nothing comparable -nothing that could penetrate walls and floors and still pack enough force to kill. That was what awaited the Marines on the last block they cleared, at the last house. The first Marine there found the gate in the high walls around the house open; the front door was locked. "As soon as he kicks the door, the machine-gun fire cuts him down," said Hurley, a Dayton, Ohio, police officer serving in the Marine reserves. The Marine survived, but a second fell as well, fatally wounded. From inside, a foreign fighter fired a rocket-propelled grenade at the door. At some point, the screamed prayers began: "Allahu Akbar!"-"God is great!" Marines fell, unable to tell the source of the screams or the shots. They fired blindly, as machine-gun rounds cratered the walls and floors around them. "Our rounds couldn't get through the walls," Hurley said. Survivors crawled out of the house under fire, unable to take the fatally wounded Marine with them. In the back of the house, Marines spotted two men running out. They fired. The two - whose thick curly hair, olive skin and delicate features indicated they were not Iraqis, Marines said - died at the back door, still holding their weapons. Thinking the barrage had come from the two men they had just killed, the Marines re-entered the walled compound. Sgt. Dennis Woullard, a Marine reservist on the Biloxi, Miss., police force, dragged out the first fallen Marine. Farther inside, other Marines searched the house. One reached for the door of a storage closet under a stairwell. "As soon as he touches the door, the machine gun fires and cuts him down," Hurley said. The Marines retreated, unable to bring their wounded colleague with them. Another wave went in to try to retrieve him, not realizing he was already beyond help. Machine-gun fire drove them out. The Marines began to suspect that the insurgents were firing from a bunker somewhere in the house, Hurley said. They called in a tank, as other armored vehicles ferried the wounded away for evacuation by helicopter. The tank fired, one round hitting a propane tank inside the compound and engulfing part of the house in a ball of orange flame. Tank cannon fired seven rounds in all, some of them meant to destroy bunkers. The Marines went in a fourth time. Bullets, and one chanting voice, met them. "Nobody should have survived"the tank assault, Hurley later said in amazement. "The whole scene, it was just pure evil inside the house," said Woullard, who came out of the first foray into the house with a frayed helmet and bruised temple from one machine-gun round and a pierced water bag on his back from another. "I've never seen anything like this in my life," said Woullard, who fought at Nasiriyah in the first days of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. "It was an all-out ambush." The insurgents' armor-piercing bullets were penetrating the house's interior and external walls and the outer walls of the compound. http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...373/1013/NEWS03 |
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