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| Dream aircraft for PAF; I wish, I wanna, let's buy | |
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| Topic Started: Jul 11 2004, 11:20 AM (23,238 Views) | |
| flipzi | Nov 16 2005, 11:18 AM Post #131 |
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 We all must not forget that. From the F5, then F20 down to A4 and even the A10, we need to dissect all possible options to get the best value for our money. So far as of this time, the favorites are the JAS39 and F18. The S211 serving as a jet trainier and with its light attack aircraft version is a good option too. Else, the L159 is it. Let's keep on finding other options. BTW, This F18 is plain awesome.  Looks like the venerable F15 air-superiority fighter. The canopy, the weapns, radars and the reputation are just as awesome. |
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| jammerjamesky | Nov 16 2005, 10:50 PM Post #132 |
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 Something to look forward to years to come. The all new F-18 E/F Super Hornets and its E/A-18G Growler version. Something to look into from 10 years now. We all know that the F-18 A/B version will be decommissioned in 2010. So I intend to open this topic to the new "Super Hornets" and "Growler" of the US Navy. Hope that more info will flow in this thread upon openning this new topic. ____________________________________________________________________ F/A18-E/F Super Hornet .... Leading Naval Aviation into the 21st Century The F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet is a winner... it's affordable... and it's flying today, exceeding every operational goal. F/A-18 E/F will outperform any top-line fighter aircraft of today and tomorrow. Unlike any other nation's fighters, our approach to aircraft survivability — the key measure of an aircraft's effectiveness — involves a balanced, systematic strategy. In designing Super Hornet, low observable technology was blended with state-of-the-art defensive electronic countermeasures, reduced areas of vulnerability, and high precision technology air-to-air and air-to-ground weapons. As a superb multi-mission aircraft ... a fighter and a bomber ... the Navy's Super Hornet spans the tactical mission spectrum from long range, sea-based air dominance to "through the weather" deep strike interdiction. By every war fighting measure, the Navy's Super Hornet will greatly exceed the capabilities of both the aircraft it is designed to replace ... as well as the aircraft it may meet on tomorrow's battlefields. The F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet was designed with 17 cubic feet of "growth space" for electronic systems — avionics and associated wiring. This means that when newer technology is available, it can be added to continually update Super Hornet's warfighting capability and survivability. The Navy's Super Hornet gives this nation both a "first day of the war" and an "every day of the war" dominance, and a precision strike fighter that meets and beats the threat through the first part of the 21st century. Super Hornet can carry every tactical air-to-air and air-to-ground weapon in the Navy's inventory. With the AMRAAM missile, enhanced radar, and advanced onboard sensor fusion capability, there is not a threat fighter in the world today — or projected to exist in the next 20 years — that Super Hornet cannot decisively defeat and totally dominate in combat. The Navy conducted a detailed analysis to determine the overall combat effectiveness of this aircraft. A significant part of the methodology we used was a poll of experts within the intelligence community. We asked a number of these experts their opinion of aircraft capabilities in six important areas of merit. These experts included aviators, aeronautical engineers, and intelligence specialists. Areas of merit studied included maneuverability, range, radar signature, radar guided weapons, infared weapons, and avionics suite. To see this analysis for yourself, select the first two hyperlinks below. See how Super Hornet can fight and win against any potential enemy ... both today and tomorrow. See what are the components of combat effectiveness and mission success. Components of mission success – use the "Back" button to return to this page. More information about the F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet Super Hornet ordnance load DoD approves initial Super Hornet production Excerpt on F/A-18E/F from a speech by the Chief of Naval Operations to the Sea-Air-Space Symposium , Washington, D.C., 26 March 1997 Super Hornet begins carrier qualifications aboard USS John C. Stennis Super Hornet carrier quals are super successful! http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/aircra...18/shornet.html |
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| israeli | Nov 16 2005, 11:31 PM Post #133 |
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the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet could be the future MRF for the Philippine Air Force but for now, we cannot afford the F/A-18E/F so the only "feasible" choices for the PAF are: * Kfir C.10s * Mirage F1CT-200/BT-200s * upgraded F-5E/Fs (into either Tiger III or F-5S/T standard) * surplus MiG-29s and Su-27s from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus * soon-to-be retired RAF Jaguars * upgraded A-4 Skyhawks (most probably, those recently-retired Singaporean A-4SU/TA-4SUs) but if the PAF has "extra cash," it could opt for: * surplus F-16A/B ADFs or F-16A/B Block 15s that are stored in AMARC and upgraded into MLU standards * those surplus Dutch and Belgian F-16A/B MLUs * some of the CF-18A/B Hornet fighters that the Canadians are soon retiring * 16-20 JAS 39A/B Gripens, on lease-to-own agreement and upgraded into JAS 39C/D standard (Sweden has * surplus French Air Force Mirage 2000C/Bs upgraded into Mirage 2000-5 standard (Brazil bought 12 surplus French Mirage 2000Cs for $78 million) |
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| cyklonmetal | Nov 16 2005, 11:41 PM Post #134 |
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Does anyone have info regarding the F/A-18E being offered to foreign air arms? AFAIK, this variant was designed as a USN only aircraft, no foregin sales planned. |
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| israeli | Nov 16 2005, 11:47 PM Post #135 |
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cyklonmetal: here's what http://www.airforce-technology.com is saying about the interest of foreign countries of getting the Super Hornet: "Kuwait has plans to acquire up to 20 F/A-18E/F aircraft from 2005. Malaysia's request for a foreign military sale (FMS) of up to 18 Super Hornets has been put on hold for budgetary and other reasons." |
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| Tora^2 | Nov 17 2005, 12:52 AM Post #136 |
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Let's not forget some of these aircraft if we need something reliable but cheap. These are jet trainers that can double as attack aircraft in our never-ending COIN campaign or can be used to engage aerial threats if necessary: *KAI AT50 *BAe Hawk 200/300 *Embraer AMX *Aero L519 If you guys can't stomach fielding Trainer Jets to replace the venerable F5A, you can consider them for the types of Trainer/Attack Jets we could field when phase II kicks in. To be honest, the ideal fighter for the PAF would be something that is sturdy, cheap and simple to maintain and operate but highly capable. That is why I am gunning for the stillborn F20. |
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| israeli | Nov 17 2005, 01:05 AM Post #137 |
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Tora^2: i definitely agree with your list. in fact, airforce-technology.com says that the Czechs are planning to sell its entire fleet of L-159A Alcas, except for 24 L-159As (18 in operational service plus six in reserve). Aero Vodochody, as we all know, is also offering countries the right to license-build and even redevelop the L-159, with CHINA (goodness!  ) somewhat "expressing its interest" in the aircraft.in your list of aircraft, only the L-159 is readily available and, in my honest opinion, the most capable. i really wish the PAF will grab the opportunity to get those L-159s plus the right to license-build and redevelop the plane before some other country gets it.  hmmmm... people here really wanted the F-20 Tigershark. oh well... it's such a dread that the Americans opted to "kill" the F-20 in favor of the F-16. |
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| cyklonmetal | Nov 17 2005, 01:11 AM Post #138 |
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israeli, thanks for the info. was certain i had read somewhere that the F/A-18E was an interim aircraft until the JSF went into service. anyway, it looks like they might serve concurrently. BTW, heres something to think about when considering the F/A-18E. It's an observation from a retired USN admiral/fighter pilot/author. • An F/A-18A was used to “chase” an F-14D test flight. The F-14D was carrying four 2,000-pound bombs, two 280-gallon drop tanks, two HARM missiles and two Sidewinder air-to-air missiles. The chase airplane was in a relatively “clean” configuration with only a centerline fuel tank. At the end of each test flight, the chase airplane was several miles behind the test airplane when the chase airplane reached “bingo” fuel and had to return to base. • An F/A-18E Super Hornet is tested using the same chase airplane, an earlier model Hornet, in the same configuration. The chase airplane does not need full thrust to stay with the test airplane. • An F/A-18E/F in maximum afterburner thrust cannot exceed Mach 1.0 in level flight below 10,000 feet even when it is in the clean configuration (no external stores). At 10,000 feet, the F-14D can exceed Mach 1.6. • A quote from a Hornet pilot is devastatingly frank: “The aircraft is slower than most fighters fielded since the early 1960s.” • The most devastating comment came from a Hornet pilot who flew numerous side-by-side comparison flights with F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and says: “We outran them, we out-flew them and we ran them out of gas. I was embarrassed for them.” F/A-18E article by RADM Paul Gillcrist This is the second page of the article. You can go to the first page to read the entire article. |
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| cyklonmetal | Nov 17 2005, 01:23 AM Post #139 |
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Not just PAF, also need a deep pocketed Filipino investor to start a company that will build this. And Govt support, if our current leadership is still bent on bootlicking then this opportunity will pass us by. |
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| Tora^2 | Nov 17 2005, 05:15 AM Post #140 |
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OMFG  If the performance of the F/A18E is that mediocre, I'm much happier with a JAS39, F5E, F20, MLUed F16, SU30, MiG29M, F15T or even a former USN F14B. |
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