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| raider1011 | Dec 15 2015, 03:58 PM Post #11 |
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Municipality of Kalayaan to acquire 'rescue/emergency' vessel Philippines News Agency
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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless. || Chester W. Nimitz Loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. || Mark Twain | |
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| Andres Boning | Dec 16 2015, 12:47 AM Post #12 |
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They should have (8-10) PM Fast Attack Maritime Patrol Craft with armed with .50cal mg's and at least (1-2) Huey II helicopter for rescue/recon armed with .50 cal or (2) Browning Mg's and 70mm rocket launchers as well if you ask me.. PN should built a port in Pag-asa Island to accommodate the USN and other Country Allies, make Pag-asa Island PM Base part of EDCA FOB. |
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| saver111 | Dec 16 2015, 10:32 AM Post #13 |
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Hmmm... PHP 10,600,000.00. A little bit more they could get this Offshore crewboat that has a 400NM range![]() EURO 280,000 | PHP 14,538,296.08 Approx http://commercial.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=399364 |
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Justice for Daniel Lorenz Jacinto HELP END PIRACY NOW!: http://www.itfseafarers.org/petition.cfm | |
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| MSantor | Mar 5 2016, 06:32 AM Post #14 |
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Philippine Star via Yahoo News
Edited by MSantor, Mar 5 2016, 06:32 AM.
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| CE_BOBOY79 | Mar 26 2016, 10:04 AM Post #15 |
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Our old LVTH-6's in the Pag asa island could be converted into additional bunker to preserved it and to be utilized during emergencies....just some excavations on sand required and concrete pouring as encasement. I think better to convert it than just let it exposed to weather and just eaten by rust. 1) Illustration of a tank converted into a bunker 2) Picture of an LVTH-6 ![]() |
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| pachador | Mar 26 2016, 12:46 PM Post #16 |
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To my memory, there were five LVTH-6s on Pagasa island in the 1980s but they were not buried. There is still one or more left as rusted derelicts on that island. Here is one of them: ![]() ![]() Here's two Bunkers on Pagasa island now leaning due to seawater enroachment: ![]() ![]() There were also four of the 40mm Bofors guns on Pagasa island but not sure if they are still working. The strategy years ago was just to give token protection to Pagasa island then if war is imminent, we will retreat and let the enemy occupy the island then come back and destroy the occupying enemy through sea and air bombardment. The reasoning behind this is that the defender is always at a disadvantage because the island is small and there is no room to maneuver so the defending positions are static or fixed. This assumes of course that the Philippines and allied forces have air and sea control. Tactically, these islands including the artificial islands of the bully are easy to destroy because they have fixed coordinates(obviously). As you can see, the deployment to Palawan of American HIMARS rocket launchers with a 300 kilometer range is a veiled threat that those bully islands are just mincemeat. The only way these islands will be useful as launchpads for patrolling or attack on other countries is if the bully has naval and air superiority to deflect any attempts to destroy these islands. The islands can in theory be made really tough to destroy, but you can imagine the money needed to make it happen. Taiwan for example recently spent $100 million to upgrade infrastructure on their big island -Itu Aba island, , including, presumably, the fortifications as well...Ultimately, all the hardening of island fortifications will do is it will take an attacker longer to obliterate the island - in theory at least - but , then nowadays, the Americans have those huge conventional bombs like MOAB(Mother of all Bombs) that will just barbeque the island defenders. Edited by pachador, Mar 26 2016, 01:31 PM.
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| CE_BOBOY79 | Mar 26 2016, 02:32 PM Post #17 |
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Sad to say Sir that the United States of America would only defend the main Philippine Islands as per their present policy.....as to the WPS and the SCS disputes and that includes the Pagasa island they are into neutrality. Hoping that our planners would consider things that would buy us some time to defend the island. The problem with our bully that once they occupy an area and set foot on it....your in big trouble. If worse case scenarios happened, it would be better to let the civilians leave but not the Marines stationed. |
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| Andres Boning | Mar 28 2016, 03:38 PM Post #18 |
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@CE BOBOY, That is not true Bro na hindi nila tutulungan tayo sa Pag-asa Island, WPS o KIG.. Our MDT with the US is the reason why those PLAN Ships are not attacking our troops in PH controlled territories in WPS. It clearly states "ANYWHERE in the PACIFIC." Kaya nga China resorted to just harassing PH nalang or end up building their own illegal artificial Islands in Spratly, kasi di nila tayo mapaalis basta basta. I guess, the only thing that would invalid our MDT or for the US not to honour helping PH is.. If we start to make troubles, illegal acts like what China is doing in WPS or starts shooting others without any legal basis. Yung naging kaso natin sa Panatag Shoal stand off, maybe, maliwanag na "Benta" yan ni PNoy sa Homeland roots niya. Kung maalala niyo, pinuputukan lang ng PN at PCG yuñng mga illegal poachers bago pa sila makapasok sa Scarborough Shoal, wala naman sila masabi na mga reklamo sa atin during those times. May video pa nga ang Rajah Humabon PF11 niyan sa Youtube, kung paano nila bantayan ang Scarborough Shoal. NO Contest tayo diyan sa lugar na iyan, tapos biglang naagaw sa atin without any firm resistance under Aquino Administration??!! I truly believe that if we fought for Panatag Shoal during that time (stand off), khit nagka putukan pa, which is mas maganda pa nga, dahil, siguro dahil sa mga nangyari, HINDI SIGURO MAKAPAG PATAYO NG ILLEGAL ARTIFICIAL ISLANDS ang China sa WPS basta basta... China sucessfully taking over Scarborough Shoal from PH without any armed resistance, gave the KEYS, for them to successfully set up their illegal claims of the entire SCS/ WPS. Edited by Andres Boning, Mar 28 2016, 04:04 PM.
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| Andres Boning | Mar 28 2016, 05:02 PM Post #19 |
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Other reasons why our AFP hands are tied and limited in reinforcing Pag-asa Island and others in KIG are the less supportive Govt., the illequipped AFP' capabilities to defend the Country and it's territories, due to lack of stages in it's territorial defence plans, because of failed interim assets acquisitions (to fill gaps), lack of assets to be use for 1st, second, third waves (lines of defense.) Again I will try to explain regarding the failed "Maestrale deal" and others, these Military Equipments from Italy are readily deliverable (6-18mos) during the time of their announcements, but deliberately dropped, due to conflict with China's interests in WPS, these assets (if were acquired then) can give major headaches to China that can spoil their plans. Don't be thankful with the very soft AFP modernization purchases that AFP received under the present, but take note of the muted AFPM Budget, failed biddngs, less formidable choices, rebid delay tactics, delays, deferred delivery dates etc.. Do the math... For everything is tailored to Beijing's advantage, from the "Scarborough Stand off" to what we can see from their accomplishments in the WPS. Sorry for OT.
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| CE_BOBOY79 | Mar 28 2016, 06:24 PM Post #20 |
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The dilemma that is happening to us in the West Philippine Sea and the SCS is the result of the many years of neglect by the past and running down to the present administrations to effectively strengthen our territorial defense and our country is also preoccupied with the counter insurgency problems that we presently have to tackle internally. Our leader's mentality of too much reliance on the MDT with "Uncle Sam" will just make things stagnate rather than developing our core capabilities to protect our selves when needed.....Just take a look brother at the resoluteness of our ASEAN neighbors that they managed to strengthen both of their defenses vis-a-vis their growing economies.
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