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Vietnam vs China in the Paracel Islands, SCS; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 06:56 PM (3,402 Views)
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The Vietnamese can say whatever they want they have a strong military that's stood up to the PLA before and did so without help from anyone. They buy Russian weapons now but these people have learned their lesson they know they can't count on Moscow they certainly won't trust Beijing.
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For oil exploration, there is no way we could count on the Chinese to be fair partners nor to act in our interest. They will techniques and equipment that will ruin our wells. They will only be able to pull out a part of what the westerners can extract. They will not hire any of our citizens to do much of the work. They will hire most if not all chicom citizens to do the work. They will offer us a higher percentage of profit from the drilling but if they do not extract much do to choice and poor methods, then ten percent of poop is still poop.

The Chinese commie party is starting to feel a great deal of internal pressure. Their economy is slowing and they are running our of tricks to keep it plugging along. By next year when the American economy craps out again Jan 2013 to June 2013 ish, the Chinese economy will suffer even more.

The Chinese have been using the spratley situation as a "SQUIRREL!!!" moment to keep it's citizens pre-occuppied but at some point they will have to explain to their citizens why they have not consolidated their hold on a territory. The recent "city in the sea" was just one move to have something to tout to its citizenry.

The American leadership is doing a complete about face. Our region has the Americans undivided attention. Their executive branch, legislative branch, ministries and their US Military is all focused on us now. Are they itching for war? Mixed signals and I think itching would be a strong word. I do feel that many are hoping China can be weakened by other means but a core group realizes that China will most likely have to be kicked in the balls really hard to get them to "reset" as a nation. Personally I feel the Chinese only respect force and a "ass-kicking" is in order.

We need to let the canos in now so they can get assets pre-positioned. We are fools if we think they can get enough assets in place to bail us out at the last minute. We may not let them have all of their guys in country but at the least we need a small but potent force to maintain stockpiles and act as a buffer in case the chicoms get froggy and buy time for the rest of their personnel to get in place. The better solution would be to allow them basing rights so we can benefit from their infrastructure programs and CASH. God knows we need cash to strengthen our nation.
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China reclaiming in Paracel, Vietnam strongly oppose
by Ruser Mallari
27/07/2014


Vietnam strongly opposes China's dredging channels around Duy Mong (Drummond) Island, a part of the Southeast Asian country's Hoang Sa (Paracel Islands) archipelago in the East Vietnam Sea said Vietnamese Ministry of Foreign Affairs spokesperson Le Hai Binh.

According to the Vietnamese spokesperson China’s activities within the Paracel archipelago are illegal, invalid and violates Vietnam's sovereignty.

South China Morning Post reported earlier last week that "China is dredging navigation channels in a disputed area of the South China Sea in a move analysts say shows Beijing's increasingly assertive stance over its claims to sovereignty in the region."

Xinhua News Agency said the purpose of the said dredging or reclamation activity is to to ease the access for Chinese fishermen and supply boats in the waters near Paracel.

It added that piers for cruising ships and areas for garbage and supply ships will also be set up in the area in the future.


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China says moving 2nd oil rig closer to Vietnam
Associated Press
By CHRISTOPHER BODEEN
15 hours ago


BEIJING (AP) - China said Thursday it is moving a second oil rig closer to Vietnam's coast, showing its determination to press its territorial claims and continue searching for resources in disputed waters despite a tense confrontation with Vietnam over another oil rig to the south.

The 600-meter (1,970-foot) -long rig is being towed southeast of its current position south of Hainan Island and will be in its new location closer to Vietnam by Friday, the Maritime Safety Administration said on its website. It asked vessels in the area to give it a wide berth.

Vietnam's government isn't expected to react strongly to the placement of the second rig because it lies far to the north of the politically sensitive waters surrounding the Paracel Islands, where ships from the two countries have been ramming each other for more than 40 days near the first oil rig.


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Beijing sends more oil rigs to South China Sea
AFP News – 13 hours ago


China is sending another four oil rigs to the South China Sea, state media and authorities said Friday, as Beijing and Hanoi trade accusations over an increasingly heated territorial row.

The move marks a fresh escalation of the dispute that erupted after China deployed the giant Haiyang Shiyou 981 rig seven weeks ago into waters Hanoi claims.

Some of the positions it gave for them are east of Hong Kong and far from any area claimed by Vietnam, but it remains unclear whether the others will be deployed in disputed waters.


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US Withholds Judgment on China Oil Rigs
Victor Beattie
June 23, 2014 7:20 AM

WASHINGTON - The United States says it will withhold judgment for now on the intended destination of four new Chinese oil rigs in the disputed South China Sea. It appears that Beijing is stepping up its exploration for oil and gas two months after positioning a giant drilling platform in waters also claimed by Vietnam.

Washington is aware of reports China is towing additional oil rigs to different locations in the South China Sea.


"I think there's not a great deal of information at this point as to where they're headed. If a rig were placed in disputed waters, which would be a concern. And, we certainly have a national interest in the maintenance of peace and stability in the region, so at this point we don't have enough information about the intended destinations of these rigs, so we'll hold back judgment until we know more."
- Jennifer Psaki, U.S. State Department spokeswoman

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China ends drilling operations in disputed sea
Associated Press - 1 hour 29 minutes ago


HANOI, Vietnam (AP) - China on Wednesday moved an oil rig that it had deployed in a section of the South China Sea, triggering a dispute with Vietnam.

The official Xinhua News Agency said Wednesday that the China National Petroleum Corp on Tuesday announced the end of the operation, citing the beginning of the typhoon season.

It said the rig would be relocated to operations close to China's Hainan Island.

Ha Le, deputy director of Vietnam's fisheries resources surveillance department, said China began removing the rig and escorting vessels Tuesday night, and by 8 am Wednesday it was 40 nautical miles northwest of its original location and continuing to move toward Hainan island.

The Xinhua report said the company found oil and gas during the operation, but was assessing the data gathered before deciding its next move.


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China's Rig Departure Proves Nothing
China has shown an ability to withstand regional pressure, and will likely return on its own terms.

By Clint Richards
July 16, 2014


The decision to take the oil rig to Hainan a full month ahead of schedule raises several questions. CNPC originally stated that the rig would remain at its location until August 15, yet on Tuesday said that both exploration and drilling were complete. The deputy director of CNPC's Policy Research Office said that preliminary analysis showed that the area had the "the basic conditions and potential for oil exploration, but extraction testing cannot begin before a comprehensive assessment of the data."

Thus China has given itself a reason to return should it want to, but the vague mention of requiring further data assessment before returning to drill means China can decide when or if revisiting this dispute with Vietnam is necessary.

While not giving an official reason for leaving early, Xinhua noted that the test operations could not be immediately arranged because the typhoon season was beginning.

While China appears to be backing off for now, it is likely playing a longer game. It has conceded none of its claims, yet has shown that it can assert its will (at least in regard to the much weaker Vietnam) and complete its objectives despite regional outcries and near daily confrontations. China will likely regard this as setting a successful precedent, whereby it can impose its interpretation of regional boundaries without a significant backlash. Instead of a reduction in Chinese assertiveness, what is equally likely is that the Chinese leadership feels it can revisit issues like this at the time and place of its choosing in the future, and that the regional security balance will not have significantly shifted or solidified against it in the interim.

Should that prove not to be the case, then a valuable piece of offshore hardware is safely within its home waters, and China has proven it has the wherewithal to endure sustained regional pressure.


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So China Moved Its Oil Rig. What Now?
Why did China move its oil rig, and what does that mean for the future?

By Shannon Tiezzi
July 17, 2014


China has removed its offshore oil rig from waters near the Paracel Islands. The move came as something of a surprise, as the rig was originally scheduled to stay in the area until mid-August. Speculation raged over why the rig had been removed. A Chinese energy expert told Reuters that he though the rig had simply been able to finish its task ahead of schedule due to favorable weather conditions over the past two months. Other analysts suggest that China took advantage of the upcoming typhoon season to remove a major source of friction between it and Vietnam.

More likely, China simply calculated that it had little to gain from keeping the rig in place, especially when compared with the potential benefits of moving it. From a tactical standpoint, the oil rig has largely achieved its purpose. China proved that it has the capability to operate a drill near the Paracels, including the naval force necessary to protect the rig from Vietnamese ships sent to the area. Beijing has also proven itself resistant to external criticisms on the issue, ignoring and counterattacking when Vietnam, the United States, and other regional players accused China of provocation.

After two months, there was little left for China to gain by continued drilling. With the announcement that the drill discovered evidence of oil and gas, it will be easy for China to return the rig to the area at any time.

Xi Jinping has tied his administration to achieving the "Chinese Dream". Xi is therefore extremely sensitive to accusations of foreign policy weakness and cannot be seen as caving in to Western demands. It will be important for Beijing to prove that it is not giving ground on its territorial claims. Thus, though the oil rig crisis may have ended, we're likely to see more Chinese action in another part of the South China Sea in the near future offered up as proof of Xi Jinping's resolve.


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International pressure forced China to stop oil drilling in South China Sea
July 20, 2014

The Yomiuri Shimbun



In the face of fierce criticism from the international community, China perhaps had no choice but to suspend its attempt to "change the status quo by force" when it ended its operations to drill for oil near the Paracel Islands in the South China Sea.

Large-scale anti-China demonstrations erupted in Vietnam one after another. Perhaps China had not expected that Vietnam - increasingly becoming economically dependent on China - would put up such fierce resistance.

Exposing a greater miscalculation by China was the fact that Japan, the United States and members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations swiftly rallied behind Vietnam to strengthen their cooperation to counter China.

Prime Minister Shinzo Abe criticized China for its self-righteousness at international conferences and on other occasions by repeatedly underscoring the importance of the rule of law in light of China's territorial claims, which have no grounds in international law.

His assertions were widely accepted in the international community.


Stronger Japan-U.S. ties backed.

Strengthening the Japan-U.S. alliance through the approval of the exercise of the right of collective self-defense has won the support of many countries concerned.

At their foreign ministerial talks in May, ASEAN members - whose stances toward China usually differ - took the concerted action of expressing "serious concerns" about the dangerous situation in the South China Sea.


China's isolation could not have been any clearer.

A series of international meetings awaits China. China apparently wants to avoid being the target of criticism in these forums. Some observers predict that the country will exercise self-restraint for the time being.

Japan and the United States must brace themselves for a prolonged, hegemonic campaign by China.

It is notable, however, that accumulated efforts by the international community have borne some fruit this time around. Factoring this experience in, the nations concerned should try to persuade China to constructively participate in an initiative to build a new Asian order.


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