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Vietnam vs China in the Paracel Islands, SCS; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 06:56 PM (3,405 Views)
Real Macoy
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China going to war with Vietnam regarding Paracel Islands and annexing Sansha Island maybe possible, but not their territorial waters that are being bid for Oil/Gas explorations with partnerships involving India and Russia for it will have difficulties, a clever move for Vietnam involving an emerging, firepower giants.

Vietnam may/ will be on their own protecting their other territories like Paracel's, but this won't be just a walk in the Park for China, Vietnam has a decent Air and Naval assets that can inflict some damages against China compared to the Philippines and it's poor AFPM plans, posturing in WPS, unless China uses it's Ballistic Missile capabilities against Vietnam.. the only way China could win?

But with the US getting more involved in the SCS/WPS issues if a shooting war breaks out with China and Vietnam, we might see some of Chinese Naval assets sinking for no reason one by one in the middle of the battle because of underwater vigilante's? -Guess who, is it Aquaman?
Edited by Real Macoy, Jul 26 2012, 02:37 PM.
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Jul 26 2012, 12:17 PM
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TagaL, can you clarify the above statement? I live here in America and so far I cannot feel your claim that majority of Americans itching for war against China.

do you have a link that we can verify ourselves to support your claim that Americans are itching for another war because AFAIK Americans are tired of war and most even want to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan.

or you may have just misunderstood the word "itching"...bec. when you say itching, it means immediate, an overriding need to take up arms and fight.
A friend and insider of mine who works for American View Point, a market research company conducted political surveys regarding the issue from 1st quarter of this year to present. The survey is funded by the Federal Government for the purpose of getting the opinions of the general public regarding the issue. And according to the statistics, Americans are leaning towards a conflict with China as more beneficial to the American economy. OT, Mitt Romney is the next President according to the same survey.
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Jul 25 2012, 05:57 PM
So what are you recommending in lieu of diplomatic protests?

Japan has a much more technologically advanced military but China is still bullying it over the Senkaku Islands.
The question is: Does the PH Government have any other alternative besides diplomatic protest?

I am not saying the Philippines should no longer file a diplomatic protest, but just my personal opinion
would it be prudent if the Phil Coast Guard was sent back to Scarborough the moment the weather became
calm?

Considering PH lacks the necessary resources to safeguard our EEZ, is that already a ground to keep silent on the
issue and boast to the media that PH is always advocating for a peaceful solution/ de-escalation?
Involving the international media will somehow contribute and show negative impact on how China treats small
countries in SE Asia (eg. Vietnam and PH) and Japan as u have mentioned.

Again, I'm not against filing diplomatic protest. I'm just saying whether PH files a thousand times, China will never
listen and adhere to our principle.

cheers.



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Jul 26 2012, 02:32 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 01:05 PM
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Jul 26 2012, 12:51 PM
US Navy hasn't much actions (naval battles) in both Iraq and Afghanistan conflicts since those wars were basically LAND WARS. Now if the US joins the Naval war in West Philippines Sea. it will be the 1st time since World War II that US Navy face a big naval battle of equal firepower and we will know if US technology and firepower has the edge over its closest opponent or rival.

wrong..us navy assets were and are in the thick of action in these wars, aircraft carriers contributed a lot to the war effort with navy fighter bombers doing a lot of damage, submarines launched cruise missiles at land targets - all adding up to the the already extensive naval warfare experience of the us navy.

in contrast, the china navy has no significant naval combat experience to speak of, its training is not at par with the us navy, much more its vessels & weapons are to date still behind those of the american navy...
I guess you got me wrong too.... I am purely referring to Navy to Navy Battles like Battle of Leyte Gulf and Battle of Midway scenario. Wherein its a Battle between 2 Naval Fleets of opposing Forces.

The battles you are referring are Naval to Land Combat Missions.

The Americans may have the experience using their Naval Assets in actual combat but how will the US Navy fair or performed if their Carrier Battle Groups are facing the PLAN Missile Frigates, submarines and who knows PLAN will use their Shi Lang Aircraft Carrier.

Grit, speaking for myself, I think that the Americans would be able to do it.

Hell, they've been practicing to sink the Admiral Kuznetsov since the Cold War, and that Shi Lang is nearly the same save for the defending ships.

And I quite agree with Mr. Macoy. Once the red ships started sinkin', then who the hell sunk them? Aquaman or Cthulhu? :armyLol: :armyLol:
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China has zero experience in carrier operations, if they go head to head aginst a US CSG, the Shilang would not even know what hit it.

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Russia seeks to reestablish its naval base in Vietnam (Cuba too) and Vietnam's president said he is amenable to the proposal then we could see an interesting shift in the balance of power in the West Philippine Sea.





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^ if china wants to punish vietnam then it should do so before the russians are back in cam ranh bay
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Then bring back US bases here and don't listen to those go**amn pro-China militants!
If you don't want a modern and capable AFP, you might want to get the f*ck off the Philippines because you don't deserve to be a Filipino that's why!
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shoot first then bring the US bases here, nice, but doesn't work in the real world.

you have to revise your 'analysis' mr analyst.
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Jul 26 2012, 06:44 PM
China has zero experience in carrier operations, if they go head to head aginst a US CSG, the Shilang would not even know what hit it.

But they still have that fearsome Ballistic Anti-ship missile.

If it works. Hope it doesn't.
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