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Vietnam vs China in the Paracel Islands, SCS; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 06:56 PM (3,397 Views)
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Vietnam's countermoves against China:

Reuters via ABS-CBN

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Vietnam, U.S. discuss land reclamation in South China Sea

David Alexander, Reuters
Posted at 06/01/2015 4:51 PM
HANOI, June 1 (Reuters) - U.S. Defense Secretary Ash Carter discussed his call for an end to island-building in the South China Sea in talks on Monday with his Vietnamese counterpart, who said Vietnam had not expanded its islands but had done work to prevent wave erosion.

The response appeared to fall short of the immediate halt to land reclamation activity and further militarization of the islands that Carter sought in an initial appeal last week in Hawaii, and again at a security conference in Singapore.

Carter told a joint news conference with Defense Minister Phung Quang Thanh that he and the general had discussed his proposal for a permanent halt to reclamation and militarization of the islands and that Vietnam was considering the idea.

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Ha! Vietnam's response to China's use of tourists to help reinforce their claim:

Reuters

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Vietnam launches special 'sovereignty' cruise, likely to irk China

By Martin Petty

HANOI (Reuters) - Vietnam is offering scores of patriotic citizens the holiday of a lifetime with a cruise to some of Asia's most hotly contested islands, in a move likely to stoke its simmering dispute with Beijing over South China Sea sovereignty.

In a special $800 promotion offer, 180 Vietnamese will get to see parts of the disputed Spratly archipelago later this month and take part in night fishing, visit a lighthouse and enjoy local seafood.

High-rollers will have VIP hotel rooms and can fly in on their private helicopters, according to the Ho Chi Minh City government's website.

The elaborately worded offer is for a six-day cruise that will visit two reefs and two islands in the Spratlys, or Truong Sa in Vietnamese, which the country has occupied for some time despite rival claims.

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Bought by China

Vietnam, Chinese Boats Clash Near Disputed South China Sea Isles
Bloomberg By John Boudreau
2 hours ago


Vietnamese fishing craft clashed with Chinese boats near the disputed Paracel Islands last week, underscoring simmering tensions between the two communist countries even as their leaders talk of improving relations.

Chinese vessels damaged a Vietnamese fishing boat with water cannons on June 7 and three days later a Vietnamese fishing boat was attacked and robbed of equipment and its catch, Thanh Nien newspaper reported Sunday. The clashes follow other recent incidents, with a Chinese marine police boat reportedly spraying water cannons at a Vietnamese fishing vessel in late May.

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung has promised funds for Vietnamese fishermen to build stronger boats for protection.


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Jun 15 2015, 01:57 PM

Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung has promised funds for Vietnamese fishermen to build stronger boats for protection.

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The delicacy of how we are dealing with diplomacy on these issue even forbids us, or atleast the DFA and Malacanan, to speak on this issue in a forward manner such as this by the Vietnam premier.

The PH stake is limited to say its claim and that's it... other than that and China, more so the Chinese-lenient PH Senate, would say it's warmongering on PH part.
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South China Sea Clash Complicates Vietnam-China Meeting | the diplomat - June 16, 2015
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On Monday, Vietnamese state-run newspapers highlighted two recent encounters between Vietnamese fishing boats and Chinese vessels in disputed water near the Paracel Islands. The Vietnamese fishermen claimed they had been “attacked and robbed” by Chinese vessels, according to Thanh Nien.

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The media reports noted two separate clashes between Vietnamese fishermen and unspecified Chinese ships near the Paracels, in what Thanh Nien described as the fishermen’s “traditional fishing grounds.” In the first incident, on June 7, two Vietnamese fishermen said they were injured after a Chinese vessel fired water cannons at their boat. Bui Tan Doan, one of the injured fishermen, told Thanh Nien that the water cannon fire continued for two hours, flooding the boat. “We signaled the ship not to use water cannons any more but they continued to do so while we were bailing water out,” Doan said. He said his left leg was broken in the attack; a picture of him in a large cast accompanied the story.

In the second incident, on June 10, fishing boat captain Nguyen Van Phu claims he and his 10 crewmen were robbed by Chinese. Phu said four vessels surrounded his, and two speedboats carrying six Chinese came up to his boat. The Chinese then damaged his boat and removed equipment on board, including walkie-talkies and other electronics. “They also forced us to hand all the catch, weighing around six tons, to their vessels,” another crew member told the press.
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Whatever this article says, the most active aggressor at the moment is still China:

Diplomat

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Who Is the Biggest Aggressor in the South China Sea?

In the past 20 years, Vietnam has doubled its holdings in the South China Sea.


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Hanoi and Beijing about to be at odds again?

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China moves oil rig back towards Vietnam coast

China has moved an oil rig at the center of last year's violent dispute with Vietnam closer to Vietnam's coast in the disputed South China Sea, just weeks ahead of the first visit by a chief of Vietnam's Communist Party to Washington.

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Jun 19 2015, 10:59 PM
Whatever this article says, the most active aggressor at the moment is still China:

Diplomat

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Who Is the Biggest Aggressor in the South China Sea?

In the past 20 years, Vietnam has doubled its holdings in the South China Sea.


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this author is being simplistic. its not the number of holdings , rather its the number of holdings built inside another countries 200 mile EEZ.
if the holdings are outside anyone's 200 mile EEZ then its pretty much free-for-all
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China trying to agitate Vietnam again:

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China's HD-981 Oil Rig Returns, Near Disputed South China Sea Waters

Reports began emerging in the Vietnamese media on Thursday that China’s Haiyang Shiyou 981 (HD-981) oil rig—the centerpiece of last summer’s clashes between Vietnam and China—was being redeployed off the coast of China’s Hainan Island, in waters where the disputed exclusive economic zones (EEZs) of Vietnam and China overlap and west of the disputed Paracel Islands (known as the Xisha Islands in China). Vietnamese reports, citing a China Maritime Safety Administration (MSA) announcement, noted that the rig was deployed to the coordinates of 17°03’75’’ North and 109°59’05’’ East, approximately 120 nm from Vietnam’s coast, 63 nm from China’s Hainan Island coast, and 87 nm from the nearest Island in the Paracels (mapped below).



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Bought by China

China Steps Up Harassment of Vietnamese Fishermen
Recent incidents highlight the return of low-level coercion against Vietnamese fishermen in disputed waters.



By Ankit Panda
July 13, 2015

A fishing boat operated by 11 Vietnamese fishermen off the coast of Quang Ngai was intercepted, harassed, and sunk by two Chinese ships in waters off the Paracel archipelago on Thursday, July 9. The fishermen were left floating at sea while clinging to the lifebuoys and were later rescued after several other Vietnamese fishing boats found them at about 2:00 am on Friday.

Two weeks ago, similar reports emerged of Chinese vessels coercing Vietnamese fishermen from Quang Ngai province. Nguyen Thanh Hung, head of a local fisheries union in Quang Ngai, noted back then that the Chinese vessels were military vessels, rather than coastguard or civilian ships.

In an incident earlier in June, a Chinese vessel demanded that Vietnamese fishermen hand their catch over as well, causing nearly $25,000 in losses for the fishermen.

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