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| Vietnam vs China in the Paracel Islands, SCS; updates, discussions | |
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| pachador | Dec 17 2014, 01:50 AM Post #111 |
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my criticism of Ku is centered on this article http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-philippines-massive-lawfare-blunder-the-south-china-sea-11837 see post # 29. in that article, let me quote him with my remarks; "The Philippines’ “lawfare” strategy is almost certainly going to fail," "While it is true that states like China suffer reputational damage if they openly ignore or violate an international tribunal’s judgment, history shows that most states can weather such reputational damage without serious consequences" "it seems likely that the Philippines lawsuit will only succeed in antagonizing China without changing its behavior." "Such voluntary arbitrations (in contrast to the compulsory mechanism set up by UNCLOS) are far more likely to succeed than arbitrations where one side (like the Philippines) uses a clever legal strategy to drag another state (like China) into an involuntary arbitration.' for the paid 'hack' part, i said i was wondering if he was a hack, i did not say he was a hack. Surely, that is allowed under free speech. he is suggesting arbitration, but how can that succeed when the essence of arbitration is compromise by making concessions. why should the philippines make concessions when most of the disputed areas are within the 200 mile EEZ of the philippines whereas the bully mainland is more than a 1,000 miles away ? it is like giving the squatter land that you legally own just to make him happy. As for "Philippines’ “lawfare” strategy is almost certainly going to fail", whats his authority for saying that ? is he an expert on maritime law ? a look at his bio shows not to be the case. the american lawyers that the philippines hired for the case are one of the best if not the best in the world on maritime law issues, and they believe we have a strong case. as for the bully ignoring the ITLOS judgement, we already know that, and we expect that, we just care about the specific delineations so if firing starts later in areas legally awarded to the philippines by ITLOS, the world will know who is at fault. as for antagonizing the bully, we know that, of course the bully will be angry because we do not want to make concessions, how in the world can we make concessions by giving areas to a bully more than 1,000 miles away ? that is laughable. the bully is angry because what the ITLOS case is about is specific delineation of maritime lines as legally allowed under UN law of the sea. they are worried that their 9-dash imposition will be unmasked as illegal Now if it turns out that ITLOS will not award the philippines anything,then so be it, I still believe that the philippine govt took the right decision -it may be a high risk decision for some like mr. Ku , but i think its the optimum decision in our circumstances. the strategy of arbitration falls into the gameplan of the bully, its actually more suited for vietnam and the bully since they are much closer to each other. by the way, did vetnam and the bully already agree on arbitration ? havent looked into that yet. and again, we have tried diplomacy since the mischief reef crisis in 1995, and it has gotten us nowhere due to the bully's unrelenting demand that their sovereignty over the 9-dash line be respected. Edited by pachador, Dec 17 2014, 02:14 AM.
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| Hong Nam | Dec 17 2014, 06:01 AM Post #112 |
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Bought by China
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The wonders of free speech. Everyone is entitled to an opinion irregardless of how absurd it is. - His articles clearly show that he disapproves of the Chinese belligerence in the SCS. - You criticise him because you don't agree with his opinion in a single article. - Which immediately makes you wonder if he is a "paid hack". A paid hack who is against his employers? The logic escapes me. He must have recently been missing his paycheck from China. Your opinions are your opinions... Let's just disregard the fact that he is internationaly considered one of the most respected and reliable resource person in his field. But perhaps you are too.
Feel free to drop in here and share your opinion with them. However, I am not certain if the rest of them are paid hacks too. Edited by Hong Nam, Dec 17 2014, 06:13 AM.
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| pachador | Dec 17 2014, 07:34 AM Post #113 |
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hong i have seen his background and nowhere does it state his specialty is maritime issues or maritime law. of course i criticised him in that article that I quoted because that is the article i was concerned about. Again i was wondering if he was a hack , i did not say he was a paid hack, if there is an expert on maritime law, it is the american lawyer representing the philippines in ITLOS: http://www.foleyhoag.com/people/reichler-paul#experience if the bully is so convinced of the righteousness of its position, it would have been eager to to go court or arbitral tribunal or any kind of arbitration voluntary or compulsory. instead, it has been making all kinds of threats to stop the philippines. The article's title of Ku to repeat is "The Philippines' Massive Lawfare Blunder in the South China Sea " anyway, you disagree with me , I disagree with you , lets leave it at that. Edited by pachador, Dec 17 2014, 07:52 AM.
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| Hong Nam | Dec 17 2014, 01:15 PM Post #114 |
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I agree... Let's leave it at that. Although I admit I hate his analysis and certainly wouldn't want it to be true, I believe it is a possibility - which is why I want your country to be prepared IF it ever comes to that "nightmare". When the situation deteriorates, the only ones you can really count to be there on is your very own armed forces. I don't think them yanquis will be there fast enough. I (just as much as you) would want your country to purge them out of your EEZ and would even pay good money for a front seat to see their illegal structures blasted out of the water - starting with Mischief Reef. |
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| pachador | Dec 17 2014, 03:00 PM Post #115 |
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disclaimer- im just a civilian who heard this from what i know is a reliable source:: , pretty much all the bully scafoldings and buoys were blasted either by the PN frogmen or made target practice by aircraft/ships or removed.. the only one untouched was mischief reef because it had opfor personnel on it already. they came in stealthily during typhoon season to build that fisherman's shelter. you can imagine what would have happened if mischief reef was blasted too. as i mentioned earlier, the bully also planted a long tall satellite marker a few miles from pagasa island that was blasted by frogmen, and it was the biggest blast of all that registered on the american spy satellites causing the americans to have a heart attack and scurry to send representatives asking the filipinos to cool it down. it also upset the bully so much that they sent choppers to "buzz" - do intimidation flights over pagasa island it is much harder today for the AFP to replicate the bravado of 1995 because the bully have really built up their defenses hence the high blood pressures among posters :) Edited by pachador, Dec 17 2014, 03:06 PM.
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| MSantor | Mar 18 2015, 11:41 AM Post #116 |
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Reuters
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| MSantor | Apr 8 2015, 08:45 PM Post #117 |
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Hanoi and Beijing going to resolve this without Manila? Reuters
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| Hong Nam | Apr 14 2015, 11:13 PM Post #118 |
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South China Sea: China Is Building on the Paracels As Well It’s not just the Spratlys, China is constructing military facilities on the Paracel Islands too. By Victor Robert Lee - The Diplomat April 14, 2015 |
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| MSantor | May 12 2015, 06:06 AM Post #119 |
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It's already been a year since this happened... Diplomat 1 Year Later: Reflections on China's Oil Rig 'Sovereignty-Making' in the South China Sea What is the long-term significance of China’s decision to move an oil rig into Vietnam’s exclusive economic zone in May 2014?
Edited by MSantor, May 12 2015, 06:06 AM.
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| MSantor | May 18 2015, 08:24 PM Post #120 |
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Related: Nikkei
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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