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Vietnam's moves in WPS; merged threads; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Jun 27 2012, 04:32 PM (5,548 Views)
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Arnie, Believe it or not that incident in pugad island is true..and it was not kept a secret because the governement controlled media covered the story during that time..
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Jan 5 2013, 09:59 PM
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Jan 5 2013, 11:07 AM
I read somewhere before (must be in one of the threads here or the other forum i cant remember anymore) that it was a deliberate trap set up by the Vietnamese themselves. They organized the party (vietnamese girls included) for the commander and invited all of Filipino contigent. No one volunteered to stay behind and man the post of course. And when they came back viet troops were already occupying the island. If i remember correctly, when marcos learned of the incident, a plan was hatched to retake the island but was eventually abandoned.

I've heard this story too. Similar lines with a few variations here and there. Do take note that these are just stories. As to what really happened, we don't really know for no official statement has been issued to the public. - Too embarrassing to be admitted?


However, if you are to believe wikipedia.org then this is what is stated there:
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Southwest Cay Invasion

Southwest Cay, known as Pugad island in the Philippines, as (南子岛) Nanzi Dao in China and as Đảo Song Tử Tây in Vietnam, is an island that belongs to the Spratly group. It was occupied by Philippine forces up to 1975 only when South Vietnam forces were able to invade the island.
Southwest Cay is in the northern edge of the Spratly group. It is within North Danger Reef which also contains the Philippine-occupied Northeast Cay (Parola Island), Vietnamese-occupied South Reef and unoccupied North Reef. Southwest Cay and Northeast Cay are just 1.75 miles (2.82 km) away from each other. Each island can actually see the other within their respective horizons.

The invasion took place when all the Philippine soldiers guarding the island of Pugad left to attend to the birthday party of their commanding officer who is based on nearby Parola Island. The storm that day is also believed to have persuaded all the soldiers to regroup temporarily on Parola island. A report also came out saying that South Vietnamese officials managed to send Vietnamese prostitutes to the birthday party to lure the Filipino soldiers guarding Pugad Island. It was said to be a "present" to the Philippine commander for his birthday and as a move of South Vietnamese forces to befriend all Filipino soldiers guarding the Spratlys. Philippine soldiers did not expect that South Vietnam would resort to foul play since both Philippines and South Vietnam, together with the United States, were allies in the Vietnam War. This tactic is believed to be the reason why South Vietnamese forces knew that the Filipino soldiers left the island, an action that is usually kept confidential.

After the party and after the weather cleared out, the returning soldiers were surprised that a company of South Vietnamese soldiers were already in the island. The South Vietnamese flag replaced the Philippine flag flying in the pole created by Philippine soldiers themselves. The soldiers returned to Parola immediately for fear that Parola would be the next target. After higher-ups of the Philippines were informed about the situation, they instructed the troops based in Parola and Pagasa to stay on red alert status. For the following mornings, the only thing the Filipino soldiers could do in Parola was to "curse" while South Vietnamese sang their national anthem. Malacañang officials, who did not want to compromise the alliance while the Vietnam War was still being fought, decided to remain silent.

A few months later, the recently formed unified Vietnam (after North Vietnam successfully invaded South Vietnam) decided to remove all remaining South Vietnamese troops in the Spratlys and establish military control among the features. It was reported that dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers in Pugad Island swam all the way to Parola just to avoid being captured by North Vietnamese forces. It was then when Malacañang officials, headed by President Ferdinand Marcos, discussed how the Philippines could reclaim the island. It had been apparent that most of the officials (who treat the communists as a threat to the Philippine national security) want to attack Pugad to reclaim it. However, after an intelligence report came stating that the unified Vietnam had already built a huge concrete garrison within a few weeks, the officials dropped the plan and tried to resolve the issue diplomatically. However, this approach eventually died along the process making Pugad a Vietnamese-occupied island up to this day. This incident was confirmed in interviews with soldiers involved in an episode of the defunct Magandang Gabi Bayan (MGB) of ABS-CBN.

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This is absurd, In 1968 the famous Jabiddah invasion is being hatch to retake Sabah Island from Malaysia, Then this Pugad incident just happen within this era how come FM didn't do anything to retake this tiny island from Vietnam who's that time is reeling from massive war.

I just don't understand or maybe at that time they just under estimate the economic and political repercussion of it, But Vietnam has already forseen the significance of it, that's why they stole it from us.
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Jan 6 2013, 07:34 PM
a foreign power successfully took a philippine occupied island without firing a shot, the worst and most shameful defeat in the history of the philippines.

Couldn't agree with you more.

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i recall two or three marcos loyalists/admirers in this forum who always crow that if only marcos is the president instead of pnoy, he would have resorted to force rather than diplomatic protests, generally be belligerent about the whole thing since he has "balls".


Either naive or miseducated individuals who should know better.

Marcos and his balls? A myth not unlike the myth of his war medals.

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yet the worst philippine debacle in the spratlys happened under his watch when he was the all-powerful dictator with the military directly under his beck & call, clearly his "balls" were mythical only when when he balked down from forcefully retaking the island even though the philippine military at the time was the best, most powerful ever under the leadership macoy, at least according to his admirers here.


The kleptodictatorship's military in 1975 was but a shadow of the military under Magsaysay. It was a military riddled in corruption, highly politicized and more adept at torturing & murdering the kleptodictator's political enemies real & imagined. It stood no chance against a battlehardened Vietnamese army flush with its recent victory against the Americans if ever Marcos found the balls to order an invasion of Pugad Island. Nor could he expect assistance from the Americans who were still licking its wounds from the ignominious defeat, with a war weary public who would have raised a ruckus against supporting the kleptodictator's military.









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Jan 6 2013, 07:34 PM
a foreign power successfully took a philippine occupied island without firing a shot, the worst and most shameful defeat in the history of the philippines.



This is probably the most embarrassing defeat we ever experience and there wasn't even a battle. The Vietnamese might have been laughing so hard and having a blast taking that island. Heck they might have there own party later that night while those returning filipino soldiers can't do anything but leave. And as for Marcos thanks to him our economy and military went down. :headbang:
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Jan 6 2013, 08:11 PM
Arnie, Believe it or not that incident in pugad island is true..and it was not kept a secret because the governement controlled media covered the story during that time..
Sorry to hear that brother. At first I could not believe that its true. I meant no offense.
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New ASEAN Secretary-General pushes for South China Sea Code of Conduct
BY AMITA LEGASPI, GMA NEWS January 9, 2013 9:46pm

The new Secretary-General of,Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) wants to finalize a legally binding code of conduct aimed at easing tensions in the South China Sea.

"ASEAN should speed up efforts towards an early start of negotiations with China with a view to achieving an early conclusion of a Code of Conduct on the South China Sea," Vietnam's Le Luong Minh said in his speech during the turnover ceremonies at the ASEAN Secretariat in Jakarta, Indonesia on Wednesday.

He said that this is possible in the face of complicated developments on the South China Sea by "building on the progress reflected in the agreement between ASEAN and China on the Guidelines for Implementing the Declaration on Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea, in ASEAN's 6-point Principles on the South China Sea and in the adoption of the ASEAN-China Joint Statement on the occasion of the 1Oth Anniversary of the DOC."

Minh admitted that amid the progress that has been made on political and security aspects "much remains to be achieved in ensuring effective and timely implementation of the ASEAN Political and Security Community Blueprints, especially the measures relating to shaping and sharing standard norms of conduct, to confidence building, conflict prevention and resolution."

Of ASEAN's 10 member-countries, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei have claims over the Spratly Islands, located in the South China or West Philippine Sea.

The other members of ASEAN are Cambodia, Indonesia, Lao PDR, Myanmar, Singapore and Thailand.

Vietnam, just like the Philippines, had protested against China's encroaching on the islands the former has claims on. Also, the Philippines and Vietnam have refused to stamp China's new passport which features a map of Beijing's claim to almost all of the South China Sea.

He said the next five years, the term of an ASEAN Secretary-General, will be exciting and critical as he assured that the ASEAN secretariat is prepared to work closely with the member states to ensure that major commitments and objectives will be delivered.

Minh's appointment was formally endorsed by the ASEAN Leaders at the 21st ASEAN Summit in Cambodia in November 2012. He replaced Thailand's Surin Pitsuwan as Secretary-General who served from January 2008 to December 2012. Minh's five-year term will end in December 2017.

A press release from ASEAN said Minh is the first Vietnamese to become the regional bloc's Secretary-General.

From 2004 to 2011, Minh was Vietnam’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations. He was Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary from January 2004 to August 2007; Assistant Minister for Foreign Affairs, concurrently Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary from August 2007 to December 2008; Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, concurrently Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (December 2008 – June 2011).

Minh's career in Vietnam’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs began in 1975. — DVM, GMA News


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Jan 7 2013, 01:54 PM
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Jan 6 2013, 08:11 PM
Arnie, Believe it or not that incident in pugad island is true..and it was not kept a secret because the governement controlled media covered the story during that time..
Sorry to hear that brother. At first I could not believe that its true. I meant no offense.
Shameful, incompetent, embarrassing fools. Care to inform us who was in command in Pugad and Parola islands.
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a fleet of two aircraft SU30 of the Vietnam People's Air Force in the sky appear Island Song Tu Tay, Song Tu Tay commune (Changsha, Khanh Hoa).

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What's the source of these photos , anyway this topic should have been posted in the world military section ...
Edited by AZKALS, May 5 2013, 05:35 PM.


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