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Vietnam's moves in WPS; merged threads; updates, discussions
Topic Started: Jun 27 2012, 04:32 PM (5,549 Views)
ganymede09
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spearhead
Jan 5 2013, 05:36 AM
ctrlaltdel
Jan 4 2013, 10:44 PM
lol..probably the easiest takeover of a disputed island ever, a slap in the face of Marcos with this utter stupidity of his Martial Law soldiers!


I agree though i don't think Marcos would even like the moved by the commanding officer, i bet those soldiers acted alone without any permissions from the President. After all it was the president himself who ordered to occupy all those islets. Did the commander invited all his troops? We'll never know...

I wonder what have happened to that stup-d commander's fate who let his troops abandoned the Pugad Island.
I read somewhere before (must be in one of the threads here or the other forum i cant remember anymore) that it was a deliberate trap set up by the Vietnamese themselves. They organized the party (vietnamese girls included) for the commander and invited all of Filipino contigent. No one volunteered to stay behind and man the post of course. And when they came back viet troops were already occupying the island. If i remember correctly, when marcos learned of the incident, a plan was hatched to retake the island but was eventually abandoned.
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^ If that was true then that's more $tupid than I thought.
Edited by icefrog, Jan 5 2013, 02:56 PM.
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spearhead
Jan 5 2013, 05:36 AM
ctrlaltdel
Jan 4 2013, 10:44 PM
lol..probably the easiest takeover of a disputed island ever, a slap in the face of Marcos with this utter stupidity of his Martial Law soldiers!


I agree though i don't think Marcos would even like the moved by the commanding officer, i bet those soldiers acted alone without any permissions from the President. After all it was the president himself who ordered to occupy all those islets. Did the commander invited all his troops? We'll never know...

I wonder what have happened to that stup-d commander's fate who let his troops abandoned the Pugad Island.
all the more a double slap on the face of the late Macoy, he must have been very livid considering it was the height of Martial Law where military alertness was supposedly at its highest level and when even Marcos enthusiasts & loyalists until now tout the military to be the best ever.

quadruple slap if its true that the highly regarded Marcos Martial Law soldiers were duped by the Vietnamese into abandoning the island.. :lollol:

Edited by ctrlaltdel, Jan 5 2013, 08:30 PM.
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ganymede09
Jan 5 2013, 11:07 AM
I read somewhere before (must be in one of the threads here or the other forum i cant remember anymore) that it was a deliberate trap set up by the Vietnamese themselves. They organized the party (vietnamese girls included) for the commander and invited all of Filipino contigent. No one volunteered to stay behind and man the post of course. And when they came back viet troops were already occupying the island. If i remember correctly, when marcos learned of the incident, a plan was hatched to retake the island but was eventually abandoned.

I've heard this story too. Similar lines with a few variations here and there. Do take note that these are just stories. As to what really happened, we don't really know for no official statement has been issued to the public. - Too embarrassing to be admitted?


However, if you are to believe wikipedia.org then this is what is stated there:
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Southwest Cay Invasion

Southwest Cay, known as Pugad island in the Philippines, as (南子岛) Nanzi Dao in China and as Đảo Song Tử Tây in Vietnam, is an island that belongs to the Spratly group. It was occupied by Philippine forces up to 1975 only when South Vietnam forces were able to invade the island.
Southwest Cay is in the northern edge of the Spratly group. It is within North Danger Reef which also contains the Philippine-occupied Northeast Cay (Parola Island), Vietnamese-occupied South Reef and unoccupied North Reef. Southwest Cay and Northeast Cay are just 1.75 miles (2.82 km) away from each other. Each island can actually see the other within their respective horizons.

The invasion took place when all the Philippine soldiers guarding the island of Pugad left to attend to the birthday party of their commanding officer who is based on nearby Parola Island. The storm that day is also believed to have persuaded all the soldiers to regroup temporarily on Parola island. A report also came out saying that South Vietnamese officials managed to send Vietnamese prostitutes to the birthday party to lure the Filipino soldiers guarding Pugad Island. It was said to be a "present" to the Philippine commander for his birthday and as a move of South Vietnamese forces to befriend all Filipino soldiers guarding the Spratlys. Philippine soldiers did not expect that South Vietnam would resort to foul play since both Philippines and South Vietnam, together with the United States, were allies in the Vietnam War. This tactic is believed to be the reason why South Vietnamese forces knew that the Filipino soldiers left the island, an action that is usually kept confidential.

After the party and after the weather cleared out, the returning soldiers were surprised that a company of South Vietnamese soldiers were already in the island. The South Vietnamese flag replaced the Philippine flag flying in the pole created by Philippine soldiers themselves. The soldiers returned to Parola immediately for fear that Parola would be the next target. After higher-ups of the Philippines were informed about the situation, they instructed the troops based in Parola and Pagasa to stay on red alert status. For the following mornings, the only thing the Filipino soldiers could do in Parola was to "curse" while South Vietnamese sang their national anthem. Malacaņang officials, who did not want to compromise the alliance while the Vietnam War was still being fought, decided to remain silent.

A few months later, the recently formed unified Vietnam (after North Vietnam successfully invaded South Vietnam) decided to remove all remaining South Vietnamese troops in the Spratlys and establish military control among the features. It was reported that dozens of South Vietnamese soldiers in Pugad Island swam all the way to Parola just to avoid being captured by North Vietnamese forces. It was then when Malacaņang officials, headed by President Ferdinand Marcos, discussed how the Philippines could reclaim the island. It had been apparent that most of the officials (who treat the communists as a threat to the Philippine national security) want to attack Pugad to reclaim it. However, after an intelligence report came stating that the unified Vietnam had already built a huge concrete garrison within a few weeks, the officials dropped the plan and tried to resolve the issue diplomatically. However, this approach eventually died along the process making Pugad a Vietnamese-occupied island up to this day. This incident was confirmed in interviews with soldiers involved in an episode of the defunct Magandang Gabi Bayan (MGB) of ABS-CBN.

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^ So, I guess this is the reason (if true) or one of the reasons why the AFP are guarded against the Vietnamese. I (and Arnie too) always wondered why there are reservations with cooperating more closely with Vietnam. This must be the reason. How about the goodwill basketball or was it soccer match that was suppose to be held last year? Did that push thru? If it didn't, this must be the reason for the reservations. LoL

I wonder if India has a history of using such strategies too w/c is why there are some reservations too for closer cooperation with them? LoL.



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ctrlaltdel
Jan 5 2013, 08:27 PM
spearhead
Jan 5 2013, 05:36 AM
ctrlaltdel
Jan 4 2013, 10:44 PM
lol..probably the easiest takeover of a disputed island ever, a slap in the face of Marcos with this utter stupidity of his Martial Law soldiers!


I agree though i don't think Marcos would even like the moved by the commanding officer, i bet those soldiers acted alone without any permissions from the President. After all it was the president himself who ordered to occupy all those islets. Did the commander invited all his troops? We'll never know...

I wonder what have happened to that stup-d commander's fate who let his troops abandoned the Pugad Island.
all the more a double slap on the face of the late Macoy, he must have been very livid considering it was the height of Martial Law where military alertness was supposedly at its highest level and when even Marcos enthusiasts & loyalists until now tout the military to be the best ever.

quadruple slap if its true that the highly regarded Marcos Martial Law soldiers were duped by the Vietnamese into abandoning the island.. :lollol:

google map Pugad Is.

this "urban legend" is mentioned in the map link above (see entry for Pugad Is.) edit: ooops, i find this and HongNam beat me to it with a much more detailed account. :specool:
Edited by ganymede09, Jan 5 2013, 10:28 PM.
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^Unfortunately for us, the commander doesnt know the story of Troy <--that pretty much sums it up :)
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icefrog
Jan 5 2013, 10:11 PM
I wonder if India has a history of using such strategies too w/c is why there are some reservations too for closer cooperation with them? LoL.



Nothing that I remember if my memory serves me right. You have nothing to worry. But if you occupy some part of Kashmir then you never know. We may invite you for hot and spicy curry treat with Bollywood style singing and dancing and take the land back in the dark of the night. :lollol:


By the way this story sounds too stup-d to be true.
Edited by arnie, Jan 6 2013, 05:25 PM.
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a foreign power successfully took a philippine occupied island without firing a shot, the worst and most shameful defeat in the history of the philippines.

i recall two or three marcos loyalists/admirers in this forum who always crow that if only marcos is the president instead of pnoy, he would have resorted to force rather than diplomatic protests, generally be belligerent about the whole thing since he has "balls".

yet the worst philippine debacle in the spratlys happened under his watch when he was the all-powerful dictator with the military directly under his beck & call, clearly his "balls" were mythical only when when he balked down from forcefully retaking the island even though the philippine military at the time was the best, most powerful ever under the leadership macoy, at least according to his admirers here.

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Horizon i agree with you on this..some people would keep on harking the goodness of martial law and how great thr marcos years but some were too young then to even remember how it is to live under a dictatorship..kulang nalang mga iba dito hukayin ang bangkay nang diktador at buhayin.. Thats how weird people are.by the way the best years of the afp was not during the marcos era.. It was in the 50s and 60s, when we were second to none in asia in terms of military strength..it was during the late 60s and early 70s when the military started deteriorating because assets were diverted to fight two insurgencies..the moro rebellion after the jabidah masacre and the cpp npa which were growing in strength thanks to marcos's and his mens abuse of power. This are the facts and not those fictions that some people keep on imagining about apo macoys time.
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