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Presidential candidates views on West philippine sea and AFP modernization
Topic Started: Sep 17 2015, 02:32 AM (2,613 Views)
pachador


Because our survival as a nation is at stake and because this involves national security, Im posting it here, but I will leave to the moderators to move it if they so desire. This is with regard to the views of the candidates on the west philippine sea issue. In Grace Poe's presidential run speech yesterday. I think, she passed on the west philippine sea issue: she said : ""Atin ang West Philippine Sea at dapat lang na ‘wag natin itong bitiwan o pabayaan gamit ang mapayapang paraan at ayon sa batas. Alinsunod dito, palalakasin natin ang ating Coast Guard at Sandatahang Lakas para hindi tayo kinakaya-kaya ng ibang bansa.""
As far as i am concerned we need to support a candidate who has the biggest chance of winning against binay- that would be poe or duterte unless roxas pulls off a magic trick. I prefer duterte but he is still murky with his views on the south china sea so let us see. We need a strong and decisive leader. Once the ITLOS ruling is issued , and it is in our favor, there is no more reason to be wishy-washy and beat around the bush. We can start taking physical enforcement with the PCG since international law and our allies will rally around us.
Here is the Grace Poe's, presidential run speech transcript
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/722639/full-text-grace-poes-declaration-of-2016-presidential-bid
Edited by pachador, Sep 17 2015, 02:37 AM.
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Wingman
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pachador
Sep 17 2015, 02:32 AM
Because our survival as a nation is at stake and because this involves national security, Im posting it here, but I will leave to the moderators to move it if they so desire. This is with regard to the views of the candidates on the west philippine sea issue. In Grace Poe's presidential run speech yesterday. I think, she passed on the west philippine sea issue: she said : ""Atin ang West Philippine Sea at dapat lang na ‘wag natin itong bitiwan o pabayaan gamit ang mapayapang paraan at ayon sa batas. Alinsunod dito, palalakasin natin ang ating Coast Guard at Sandatahang Lakas para hindi tayo kinakaya-kaya ng ibang bansa.""
As far as i am concerned we need to support a candidate who has the biggest chance of winning against binay- that would be poe or duterte unless roxas pulls off a magic trick. I prefer duterte but he is still murky with his views on the south china sea so let us see. We need a strong and decisive leader. Once the ITLOS ruling is issued , and it is in our favor, there is no more reason to be wishy-washy and beat around the bush. We can start taking physical enforcement with the PCG since international law and our allies will rally around us.
Here is the Grace Poe's, presidential run speech transcript
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/722639/full-text-grace-poes-declaration-of-2016-presidential-bid
There is nothing new on her statement. This is the position of the Philippine Government now and at the same time working on the AFP modernization at the best possible time. We have to support the candidate that can continue or better what the current administration is doing and not to popular candidate which some people believe is winnable. My opinion only.
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Poe doesn't know about AFP Modernization. She doesn't support the military and the military case is just her pawn to gather the support of public opinion as what she did in the Mamasapano investigation.

Poe's only reason to run is because the surveys think she can win. She is inexperienced but has a solid backing from Trapos who only support her because of her winability. A lot of her decisions are consulted with these Trapos that's the reason that she almost always take the popular decisions and almost with subtlety an anti-administration stance... and yet when left on her own in-experienced self, she bungled big time the INC- traffic crisis.

Her character is very open to manipulation. Her pride is quickly transforming into arrogance as in the case of her citizenship issue. She was just advised by the Trapos on her back to calm down and wait for the election.

She is becoming another Gloria Arroyo - a quiet Nora Aunor-look-a-like at first who became a increasingly irritating on TV as her rule progressed.
Edited by bandofbros, Sep 17 2015, 11:08 AM.
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In the next election we must elect a patriotic and a nationalistic President and Vice President, not a Pro-Chinese or China-annointed candidates. A patriotic and nationalistic President and Vice President who will protect and defend our remaining island, islets and reefs in West Philippines from China’s aggression.

Currently the Philippines is occupying nine features (seven islands, three reefs): in the Kalayaan Islands Group.

It is not so bad if Vietnam has some possession in Spratly since most of it were inherited from their former French colonizer. Besides Vietnam is more nearer to Spratly islands group compared to China and Taiwan.

While Malaysia were taking islands within 200 miles from Sabah, besides they were thinking that if they don’t take the islands/reefs near Sabah and Palawan, China might take it also since the Philippines has the weakest Armed Forces in Asia. The results of rampant plundering of our treasury by some of our corrupt government leaders.

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emesber
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In the next election we must elect a patriotic and a nationalistic President and Vice President, not a Pro-Chinese or China-annointed candidates. A patriotic and nationalistic President and Vice President who will protect and defend our remaining island, islets and reefs in West Philippines from China’s aggression.

You should. But who?

A Filipino colleague of mine is rooting for someone who's got an iron fist. Tough and straight to the point practicality. But when I heard he said that he is willing to slice Palawan in half and give the other half to the Yanquis or to the Aussies for them to militarise...

That kinda doused my enthusiasm as it isn't really as simple as that.

1.) The Yanquis were there before and then you kicked them out. I don't think they want a repeat as you would readily kick them out again.
2.) Protecting territorial integrity by giving away 1/2 of a province often touted as the "last frontier of nature." The irony in that.
3.) You've got a senate which insists that they should have a say in the EDCA. Imagine what they would do if you give away half of Palawan?
4.) And let's not forget the militants - They always love to protest against "imperialism" and the prostitution that comes with foreign military bases.

Unless all of the so called "barriers" are eliminated. Tempting ain't it?




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Nov 30 2015, 05:39 PM
emesber
Nov 30 2015, 05:16 PM
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In the next election we must elect a patriotic and a nationalistic President and Vice President, not a Pro-Chinese or China-annointed candidates. A patriotic and nationalistic President and Vice President who will protect and defend our remaining island, islets and reefs in West Philippines from China’s aggression.

You should. But who?

A Filipino colleague of mine is rooting for someone who's got an iron fist. Tough and straight to the point practicality. But when I heard he said that he is willing to slice Palawan in half and give the other half to the Yanquis or to the Aussies for them to militarise...

That kinda doused my enthusiasm as it isn't really as simple as that.

1.) The Yanquis were there before and then you kicked them out. I don't think they want a repeat as you would readily kick them out again.
2.) Protecting territorial integrity by giving away 1/2 of a province often touted as the "last frontier of nature." The irony in that.
3.) You've got a senate which insists that they should have a say in the EDCA. Imagine what they would do if you give away half of Palawan?
4.) And let's not forget the militants - They always love to protest against "imperialism" and the prostitution that comes with foreign military bases.

Unless all of the so called "barriers" are eliminated. Tempting ain't it?




First, the militants are a problem only because of the media's laziness to put on a proper report on them. There is a one side where media mocks them because these militants and it's supporters are very ignorant on the very principles they are adhering. But nobody would dare expose the "hakot" nature of these protests. Why, because covering militants rally is an easy job. It's explosive and will put on a lot of ratings the same way when America started covering LIVE police highway chases. So no media would like to be on the bad side of the coin and lose coverage rights or worst get mobbed at. The fact that they are commercially benefitting from it is enough.

Second, nobody's going to give Palawan to anyone and we must realize its all bull talk.

The key indicators would be what is the presidential candidates view on our UNCLOS case? (1)Is he/she for it because it's already there and currently there's nothing he/she can do to stop it? Or (2) is he/she in full support of it from the very start and would muscle his/her way through in asserting out legal rights in the area. (3) Given that our UNCLOS case is already rolling, what would be his/her options if we failed to get a favorable ruling?
Now what we all see as lacking in the current admin policy is our policy of cowering up with regards to China's aggressive patrols. The Ayungin supply mission shows us as a very pathetic maritime country. We must supply Ayungin by visible naval assets. Or atleast a white ship or a BFAR ship. But its important that a government ship is doing the resupply. The AFP should STOP hiring private vessels to do this. Or just get the AW109s there. Period!
Another thing is the Coastguard, BFAR or the Navy must put on a show of force by assigning a big boat patrolling the waters off PAGASA island and challenge all those that violates our waters.

As it stands, we cannot win all these by legalities alone. And I don't get why we are buying all these boats: SSVs, MRVs, Cutters... when we are not visible to the very island that we claim.
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Will Philippine Elections Bring About a New China Policy?

The National Interest

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February 23, 2016

A closer look, however, points in the direction of greater continuity rather than rapture in Philippine foreign policy, especially if China continues to press its advantage in adjacent waters by militarizing territorial disputes. Absent a major concession on China’s part, which seems unlikely in the foreseeable future, it will be difficult, if not impossible, for the next Filipino president to effectively pursue a 'reset' in bilateral relations with China. ...

When one presidential candidate, Jejomar Binay, openly suggested the prospect of joint development in South China Sea, he immediately provoked a firestorm of criticisms. Neither the currently-leading presidential candidate, Senator Grace Poe, nor Aquino’s anointed successor, Interior Secretary Mar Roxas, have, so far, dared to suggest a similar approach, probably out of fear of political backlash. ...

Lastly, the Aquino administration has overseen a massive upgrade in bilateral security relations with its key allies, the United States and Japan. It would seem certain that both of these countries, which are among Manila’s leading trading and investment partners and have stepped up their opposition to Beijing’s maritime assertiveness, will lobby hard to ensure that the next Filipino president will not dramatically alter the Philippines’ China policy. ...

The new Filipino president’s room for maneuver will expand if, for instance, China agrees to, say, a mutual disengagement from Scarborough Shoal, end the siege on the Filipino detachment in Second Thomas Shoal, and promises not to cut off Filipino supply lines the South China Sea. The two sides could also start discussing ways to revive bilateral investment relations, since China has a very limited footprint in the Philippines’ infrastructure landscape. All of these options seem a long way off, however. Don’t expect a major or swift reset any time soon.

The editor should have corrected a word to read "rupture" rather than rapture, seeing the author's talking about continuity. :dunno:
Edited by raider1011, Feb 24 2016, 03:48 PM.
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pachador


I think with respect to Duterte's views, one of the best sources for what is going on in his mind on the West Philippin Sea conflict and the Sabah claim is the duterte campaign site where we will know for sure his interviews will not be out of context or twisted specially if published in anti-Duterte newspapers. The same for the other candidates - just go to their respective sites. so here we go -both articles are written by ex-Cotabato Governor Pinol who is Duterte's friend also:
http://www.duterte.ph/duterte-says-us-world-powers.html
http://www.duterte.ph/sulu-sultanate.html
Edited by pachador, Mar 8 2016, 06:00 AM.
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Pilipinas Debate 2016 - The 3rd Presidential Debate
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First Issue: Conflict in West Philippine Sea

Tony Velasquez: At ang atin pong unang isyu na tatalakayin ngayong gabi, ang paninindigan sa West Philippine Sea. Alam po natin na agresibo ang China sa pag-angkin ng ilang bahagi ng ating karagatan. Hindi lamang ito banta sa seguridad ng ating bansa, kundi apektado na rin pati ang mga kabuhayan ng mga mangingisda. Pakinggan po niyong mabuti ang kuwento ni Mang Carlo.

Mang Carlo: Hindi kagaya noong kahit magsisid ka maghapon, okay lang, walang nagbabawal. Ngayon, ang pangingisda natin diyan parang ninanakaw natin ang sarili nating, kuwan eh, isda. Para tayong mga hayop ako na tinataboy ng mga China na yan. Binababa nila yung mga speedboat nila tapos ‘pag kuwan, hindi maitaboy, binabangga yung mga katig ng bangka, pinuputol ang angkla. Kumonti huli namin. Tamang-tama lang sa pamilya. Pambayad pa ng utang ang iba. Kailangan talagang makuha natin ‘yan. Hindi naman sa kanila yan eh, sa atin talaga.

Tony Velasquez: At narinig niyo po ang kuwento, ang mga karanasan ni Mang Carlo. Kasama po natin siya ngayong gabi dito sa University of Pangasinan. So ngayon –

[Applause] Kaway po kayo. So ngayon may katanungan para po sa lahat ng ating kandidato si Mang Carlo. Carlo?

Mang Carlo: Sa inyo pong tumatakbong maging pangulo ng ating bansa, ano po ba ang puwede niyong gawin para sa aming mangingisda upang matulungan kami na hindi itaboy ng Chinese Coastguard at para maka-pamingwit kami ng mabuti, na mapayapa? Yun lang po.

Manila Bulletin: Presidential Debate Full Transcript (PDF)
Inquirer.net: Complete transcript of final presidential debate
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One of Duterte's weaknesses is going to be foreign policy. Did you guys watched the debate yesterday? The questions were serious and he was just clowning around and being superficial. Ang bababaw ng mga sagot nya lalo na sa WPS issue.
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