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| Hong Nam | Sep 7 2016, 02:26 AM Post #311 |
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You managed to explain "mainly" part but I don't need elaboration on the different social classes of which you claim are only for Manila based individuals. Since we were talking about presidents - this means Duterte. Here are a few: 1) Sergio Osmena was from Cebu, 2) Manuel Roxas was from Capiz, 3) Carlos Garcia was from Bohol, 4) Diosdado Macapagal and was from Pampanga, 5) Ramon Magsaysay was from Zambales, 6) Ferdinand Marcos was from Ilocos Norte, 7) Elpidio Quirino was from Ilocos Sur, 8) Corazon Aquino was from Tarlac. I named more than half of your presidents and none of them were born in Manila. I can name more if you want. Now you might say "Manila based" and my reply to that would be simply it may be so because your seat of government in Manila and your president resides at the Palace. It would be but normal to eventually have social circles in the Capital. Doesn't make sense to be "Cebu based" when everything else is in Manila. Duterte once studied Law in Manila and now lives in Manila - does he qualify now as "Manila based" or is he exempt from all the rules pertaining to the past presidents' social circles? So what is Manila based exactly? Mindanao? Frontier culture? More blunt and straight talking? I personally know many farming families from Kolambugan, Lanao del Norte in the northwest to Cantilan, Surigao del Sur in the east and I will tell you none of them could even be slightly characterised as blunt (God forbid come close to your president). Same can be said for those from Kabasalan, Zamboanga del Sur to Digos, Davao del Sur. Speak for yourself sir! How dare you make such generalisations. But that is not important as it is not the "meat" of the issue. What is most important is what you clearly missed. It was printed in bold and you shouldn't have missed it. That's what needed a reply most. Poverty or humble beginnings does not excuse anyone from being brash and abrasive. Stop trying to rationalise that your president is as such because of his humble beginnings. What was that about President Obama not getting affected by statements from the "Colourful Guy"? - The whole world knows he was affected - cancelling the meet should be an obvious sign of that. Tell me about it sir. Diplomacy Gone Bad or just another joke? - So much for Americans not being easily affected by such statements unlike latinos and Filipinos. - Seen the news lately? Had I believed you, I would be shocked by the number of Americans getting affected by it. Strange as they are not like that. - Hmmm, could it be because Obama spent a few years growing up in Indonesia? Yes!! That could be it! Guess who will cry "Uncle" when that loud mouth gets into trouble with China? - Oh wait. It ain't going to happen as he is quite the opposite when it comes to China. That sir.... Mr. Pachador is the issue. Edited by Hong Nam, Sep 7 2016, 03:14 AM.
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| pachador | Sep 7 2016, 04:32 AM Post #312 |
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Like I said that's from my lifexperience fhat means im referring to the people i associated with while growing up The non-manila presidents were born in the provinces but They spent a big part part of their lives in Manila, and that is not the only factor but also the social circles they mingled with including the manila upper class. Again I am speaking from my life experiences if u read my previous post . Why u getting all worked up ?? :) Look we are going back and forth on the social aspects and behavior of Duterte. you will notice that you and me have been using life experiences to back up our opinions. As this is an amorphous topic and hard to contain or box-in within the confines of data-driven discussions(such as the merits of warship A versus warship B) , we should just respect each other opinions. I know you like duterte to behave :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nuxJAeardU Edited by pachador, Sep 7 2016, 06:01 AM.
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| Hong Nam | Sep 7 2016, 06:36 AM Post #313 |
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We aren't talking about your life. Nor do I care about your experiences - as your views seem too narrow and bereft with sweeping statements. If you insist on doing so, you can open a new thread about it. Get over it and make a relevant rebuttal. Your president has made an open admission of regret. Is this why you try to avoid the main issue by preaching about your life experiences? |
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| pachador | Sep 7 2016, 08:21 AM Post #314 |
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hong, duterte was within his bounds to tell obama not to lecture him about killings since the united states had made their own killings not only in other countries but the philippines . it is too bad that his main point got overlooked in the international press just because he cursed obama. as for life experience, you yourself mentioned people you know from various parts of mindanao as not being abrasive. here is what you yourself said, "I personally know many farming families from Kolambugan, Lanao del Norte in the northwest to Cantilan, Surigao del Sur in the east and I will tell you none of them could even be slightly characterised as blunt (God forbid come close to your president). Same can be said for those from Kabasalan, Zamboanga del Sur to Digos, Davao del Sur" . Look, you have a habit of browbeating posters whose opinions you do not like. as you know this is just a forum where even pencil-necks hiding behind computers can have their day so engaging in who has the better rebuttal with something that is amorphous like this will just result in an endless discussion. , whether you like it or not, duterte has a point , it just got buried because of his cursing - this is a 4 minute speech, and the press chose to emphasize his expletive to obama. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pBeeAhMkf4 as for duterte expressing regret, I myself posted it in my previous posts(post 305) so i was not avoiding the issue. as i mentioned above this will just degenerate into an endless discussion.,,so... Edited by pachador, Sep 7 2016, 10:40 AM.
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| MSantor | Sep 7 2016, 11:42 AM Post #315 |
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| Hong Nam | Sep 7 2016, 02:43 PM Post #316 |
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Throw all the accusations you like. But know the meaning of the word before you say anything further. browbeat - Definition: to use threats or angry speech to make (someone) do or accept something. 1.) Angry speech: Me? Definitely not! I can't say about your president. He's the browbeater. 2.) Did I make you accept something? Definitely not! You couldn't even give a coherent reply. Fact is, you couldn't even give a simple rebuttal of something you feel so strongly about. 1.) Nobody said that your president wasn't within his bounds to tell Obama not to lecture him. - That was never the issue. I never said it. You know it. Stop putting words into my mouth. 2.) You never answered the issue whether being of humble beginnings or poverty has the excuse to be brash and abrasive. - Instead you elaborate on your life. Why? Does coming from the same region make everyone the same? Are all Ilonggos 'malambing' and Warays 'matapang'? - You like sweeping statements. There's nothing to clean so you can keep that broom. - If you claim that Mindanaons are blunt due to their so called 'rugged' life. Speak for yourself and those around you. Leave the others out of it. - Rich or poor, wherever people are from and whatever their background is... If they are bastos, they are bastos. 3.) Your statements point to you as a well travelled person and know how Americans think. - Americans aren't easily affected by statements like this? - Have you even seen US based news services broadcast it? The very fact that it is taking the front page says otherwise. - Can you honestly say that Obama and the Americans aren't affected? Which part of the States were you in again? Hint: Americans are just like everyone else. They take offence when a symbol of their country is disrespected. I can't believe you didn't see that when you lived there. You may think I am browbeating those of whom opinions I do not like. Correction: I want people to be responsible for their statements and to back it up the best they can. You failed miserably because you have just placed yourself in a compromising situation with no way to get out of. Stop throwing accusations when your backed into a corner. 1) The irony here is that your actions almost mirror that of your president. Duterte shoots his big mouth off with 'huge statements' then watches as a foot shoved into his mouth. Who's crying 'foul' to the media now? 2) I think it's best that you stop trying to rationalise as to how your president is. We all know what he is and it certainly is not because he is from the "Frontier of Mindanao". He's just brash and abrasive who failed to realise he was talking about the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Oops! Edited by Hong Nam, Sep 7 2016, 03:02 PM.
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| pachador | Sep 7 2016, 03:04 PM Post #317 |
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heres my answers hong : 1. you are selective in your definition of browbeat. there are other definitions of browbeat. let me guess, your gonna aske me which one, right ? 2. i did not answer your humble beginnings because duterte is not from humble beginnings. see link i posted previously. 3. well, none of my neighbors or officemates are angry about duterte. they are just wondering if he is just crazy :) so now im incoherent, and cant give simple rebuttals. . well that just your characterizations. you are getting all worked up, arent you? you see hong, we are both hijacking this thread. if you want to prolong the drama just message me in private and we can continue it there. I always find it interesting that you as a foreigner(as my memory remembers it) takes such deep interest in philippine military matters.
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| Uruzu | Sep 7 2016, 03:14 PM Post #318 |
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First meeting between the presidents of two countries cancelled. This is the result. And the fact. Whatever the excuse / reason. Seriously, even between countries with bad relations/disagreements , you won't see the officials using this kind of language. Not to mention its between supposedly MDT allies in this case. Edited by Uruzu, Sep 7 2016, 03:16 PM.
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| asianobserve | Sep 7 2016, 05:03 PM Post #319 |
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BTW, I think mas maigi kung iturn-over na lang sa PCG ang 3 Hamilton Class cutters na naibigay na sa atin at nang magamit sa West Philippine Sea ang mga yun. Pag nasa PCG iyan ay POlice matter lang ang presence nila sa disputed areas at hindi military. Besides, sabi me ruling na tayo from UNCLOS Tribunal na part naman talaga ng EEZ nating ang mga lugar na iyan, so tama lang na ipolice yan ng PCG. That way parang hindi lalabas na naglulunsad tayo ng military action laban sa mga Tsinang fishing boats. |
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| Andres Boning | Sep 7 2016, 05:40 PM Post #320 |
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@asianobserve, I agree with you Bro! But the problem is our Leader, he would rather assert PH Sovereignty to Pres. Obama than to China, he is not into antagonizing China, he would rather curse our No.1 ally, than China.. Don't you think it's odd? So, braise yourself, I don't think we'll see any kind of movements here.. the only movements that we may see most likely are China's dredging, in Scarborough Shoal.. As you can see, they are much more busy with their Insurgency and Anti-Drug Play. Edited by Andres Boning, Sep 7 2016, 05:47 PM.
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