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China tightening grip on Spratlys; merge threads, updates
Topic Started: Jun 25 2012, 06:46 PM (30,271 Views)
Hong Nam
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If they choose to ignore the court ruling, then you could always ignore the ridiculous 9-dash line claim and see how far they would go to assert their false claims. It's time for your fishermen to push back even if your government seems reluctant. That's how the "game" is played.




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"Environmental Protection"? When China's fishing fleet will likely overfish the waters if they had free rein of the whole region.

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China sets up South China Sea environment protection fund
By: Ben Blanchard, Reuters
July 25, 2016 10:32 PM


BEIJING - China has set up a 15 million yuan ($2.25 million) environmental protection fund for the South China Sea having already spent double that in the past four years, the Xinhua state news agency said on Monday.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague ruled this month that China did not have historic rights to the South China Sea and it criticized environmental destruction in the waters. China rejected the ruling and refused to participate in the case.

The tribunal found that China's large-scale land reclamation and construction of artificial islands has caused severe harm to coral and violated its obligation to preserve fragile marine environments.

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'Give them a bloody nose': Xi pressed for stronger South China Sea response
By: Reuters
August 1, 2016 7:47 AM

BEIJING - China's leadership is resisting pressure from elements within the military for a more forceful response to an international court ruling against Beijing's claims in the West Philippine Sea, sources said, wary of provoking a clash with the United States.

China refused to participate in the case overseen by the Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague.

It denounced the emphatic July 12 ruling in favor of the Philippines as a farce that had no legal basis and part of an anti-China plot cooked up in Washington.

The ruling has been followed in China by a wave of nationalist sentiment, scattered protests and strongly worded editorials in state media.

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Edited by MSantor, Aug 1 2016, 11:23 AM.
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China court warns against illegal fishing in riposte to South China Sea ruling
Published August 2, 2016 12:45pm
- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/575988/news/world/china-court-warns-against-illegal-fishing-in-riposte-to-south-china-sea-ruling#sthash.Dp7j9zDJ.dpuf


BEIJING - China's Supreme Court said on Tuesday that people caught illegally fishing in Chinese waters could be jailed for up to a year, issuing a judicial interpretation defining those waters as including China's exclusive economic zones.
An arbitration court in The Hague ruled last month that China has no historic title over the waters of the South China Sea and that it has breached the Philippines' sovereign rights with its actions, infuriating Beijing which dismissed the case.
None of China's reefs and holdings in the Spratly Islands entitled it to a 200-mile exclusive economic zone, the court decided.
The Philippines refers to parts of the South China Sea as West Philippine Sea.
The Supreme Court made no direct mention of the South China Sea or The Hague ruling, but said its judicial interpretation was made in accordance with both Chinese law and the United Nations' Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), under which the Philippines had also bought its case.
- See more at: http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/575988/news/world/china-court-warns-against-illegal-fishing-in-riposte-to-south-china-sea-ruling#sthash.Dp7j9zDJ.dpuf


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I do hope the Duterte Government along with his advisers discussed thoroughly the Country's Territorial Defence, AFP's must needs, to fastrack and revise some of the AFPM big ticket, to consider other options like "Interim solutions", "leasing" , reconsidering the Italian acquisition plans that were cancelled etc. in the last previous NS Meeting.
Now is the time to rethink on investing on really up-arming all available PN Assets with Anti Air/ Anti ship Missiles.
PH can do nothing, but just stare n wait, be bullied and humiliated continuously if it doesn't arm itself to the fullest. "It's time for David to have a big stick and sling shot!"
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^It seems like china beats the Philippines once again, by issuing their own interpretation law against illegal fishing in China's EEZ in the South China Sea/ West Philippine Sea.

This is what the Philippines should be doing in the first place after the Hague Ruling, but the big problem is the implementation, since the AFP PNavy have no potent arms and capability to police and exert it's authority over it's jurisdiction, guess they'll just have to stop, look n listen, while China tries to steal everything under their noses with nil resistance.

China may have lost the ITLOS Ruling case, but it wins big in the actual match in real time.

YES! The Philippines must spend and invest for it's Military's Capability, for Diplomacy alone will get them nowhere.
Edited by Real Macoy, Aug 2 2016, 09:06 PM.
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US Pacific Fleet vs PLA Navy's Unsinkable Aircraft Carrier Artificial Islands
http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/video/379902/qrt/mga-hangar-itinayo-ng-china-sa-tatlong-reef-na-kanilang-inangkin

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This should be a RED line and a big game changer for the Philippines. The Philippine Government must spend for it's defense ASAP!
Edited by AVBsupersonic, Aug 10 2016, 04:03 PM.
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China Will Not Let Washington 'Destabilize Asia-Pacific'


merica's foreign policy in the Middle East did pay off, it failed. Washington is now trying to pursue its destabilization strategy in Asia-Pacific. But China's positions in the region are strong and the US will not be able to do anything about it," the analyst said.

Tarasov also mentioned that Washington tried to capitalize on tensions between China and Japan, as well as North Korea's nuclear activities in its standoff with Beijing. This strategy has not been successful and if the US tries to push forward with it, increasing tensions with China will most likely lead to what the analyst described as "a major geopolitical failure of US foreign policy."

The analyst described China's behavior as "increasingly assertive," adding that Beijing has been "rather smart and confident" in its activities. The East Asian nation, he added, has prevented "the US from reinforcing its positions in the region like Washington planned to."

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Aug 2 2016, 09:02 PM
^It seems like china beats the Philippines once again, by issuing their own interpretation law against illegal fishing in China's EEZ in the South China Sea/ West Philippine Sea.

Perhaps. But every move has a counter-move. Some play "dirty" and disavow any responsibility or some chose to remain "clean".



A few years back, the company I was working for discussed on how the Somali Piracy problem had come into being. The conclusion... Poverty.

- Somali EEZ was consistently violated by foreign fishing fleets.
- Small time Somali fishermen were left with dwindling catches.
- Fishermen evolved and became pirates an it proved to be a lucrative profession.
- An act of desperation surely. Despicable? Yes. But not for the fishermen/pirates.
- Guess what? Nobody (not even the dreaded Chinese and Taiwanese) sends fishing fleets to their EEZ anymore.



** Sure, you now have an international coalition of navies patrolling the horn of Africa which has clamped down on the pirates.
** But now, Somali fishermen can fish again without unfair competition from illegal poachers.
** Not saying that you should do this. Just merely stating a fact.








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They're getting bolder and bolder: :headbang:

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Chinese vessel enters PHL territory, crosses paths with Coast Guard ship
Published August 18, 2016 1:22pm
By ELIZABETH MARCELO, GMA News

A Chinese Coast Guard vessel entered the country’s exclusive territory and crossed paths with the Philippine Coast Guard, PCG spokesperson Commander Armand Balilo said Thursday.

“Very polite naman yung exchange of messages. Nagpakilala lang sila (Chinese Coast Guard) at nagpakilala lang din kami. Nagtanungan lang,” Balilo said in a chance interview with reporters at the sidelines of the turnover of a search and rescue vessel loaned from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).

Balilo said the face-off, which happened three weeks ago, occured 73 to 100 nautical miles from Subic coast, a traditional fishing area for Filipino fishermen.

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Edited by MSantor, Aug 19 2016, 01:07 AM.
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They're getting bolder and bolder: :headbang:

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Chinese vessel enters PHL territory, crosses paths with Coast Guard ship
Published August 18, 2016 1:22pm
By ELIZABETH MARCELO, GMA News

A Chinese Coast Guard vessel entered the country’s exclusive territory and crossed paths with the Philippine Coast Guard, PCG spokesperson Commander Armand Balilo said Thursday.

“Very polite naman yung exchange of messages. Nagpakilala lang sila (Chinese Coast Guard) at nagpakilala lang din kami. Nagtanungan lang,” Balilo said in a chance interview with reporters at the sidelines of the turnover of a search and rescue vessel loaned from the Japan International Cooperation Agency (JICA).

Balilo said the face-off, which happened three weeks ago, occured 73 to 100 nautical miles from Subic coast, a traditional fishing area for Filipino fishermen.

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I agree with you Msantor and maybe because of this- http://sputniknews.com/asia/20160815/1044267318/china-red-line-scarborough-obama.html

Why are the PCG acting as if it's just a casual encounter? The PCG should be exercising it's authority over the area, 73-100nm from Subic is to close for comfort for damn CCGs!

The Philippines should be extra cautious. Since the trouble with China started, everytime there's any kind of negotiations with them, they always take advantage and try to do their dirty tricks on the side.

Regardless of whether we're trying to diffuse the heat, them going beyond Scarborough Shoal area, closer at just 73-100nm away from the Philippine Mainland is just appalling, they should have been gravely warned and turned away!!!
What's up with the Duterte Government???


Panatag Shoal is about 188nm from the Mainland. Better for the Philippines to deploy PCG permanently within 80nm near/from Panatag Shoal Area together with PF-11 within 100nm from Subic to serve as security/guard as last Warning.

The Philippines have been so relaxed for quite some time now and had been tolerating intrusions and humiliations from China. Now that we have the Law on our side, together with our Allies, I think it's time to exercise our rights and Sovereignty which is the normal thing to do for any law abiding Country.


Imo, Why don't the Duterte Government ask the US for them to acquire at least (10-15) Units of HIMARS as part of the Philippines External Defense Plans? HIMARS can easily cover Scarborough Shoal Area, Recto Bank and maybe even Mischief Reef.

http://www.realcleardefense.com/articles/2016/06/07/howitzers_and_himars_in_the_south_china_sea_109425.html - I think this article says it all. Why do we have to spend more money on advanced Modern Warships when we have 7k plus Islands that is unsinkable. Better for the Philippines to invest on SAM Systems and HIMARS against China's aggression.
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