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| Hong Nam | Jan 10 2014, 03:31 AM Post #11 |
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Manila seeks clarification on Chinese fishing rules in South China Sea BY MANUEL MOGATO AND SUI-LEE WEE MANILA/BEIJING Thu Jan 9, 2014 4:06am EST (Reuters) - The Philippines said it was seeking clarification of rules from China's Hainan province that say fishing boats need permission to enter waters under its jurisdiction, which the local government says covers much of the disputed South China Sea. "The goal is to strengthen the security of fisheries resources and to openly and reasonably utilize and protect fisheries resources." - Hua Chunying, Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Chinese enforcement could depend on the nationality of the fishermen. "I think Hainan put it out to tell relevant countries we have such a regulation, but how we practice it depends on how bilateral relations are. If ties are good, the regulation may be loose. If not, we will practice it strictly, which means that you have to get approval from us before entering." - Shi Yinhong, Renmin University in Beijing Reuters |
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| Hong Nam | Jan 10 2014, 03:42 AM Post #12 |
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The Return of China's Small-Stick Diplomacy in South China Sea With a new directive China has appointed itself the sheriff over most of the South China Sea. By James R. Holmes January 09, 2014 Associated Press reporter Christopher Bodeen chooses his words well in a story on China's latest bid to rule offshore waters. Beijing, he writes, is augmenting its "police powers" in the South China Sea. That's legalese for enforcing domestic law within certain lines inscribed on the map, or in this case nautical chart. This is what I've been calling "small-stick diplomacy" for the past couple of years. China's small stick - the China Coast Guard and other law--enforcement instruments - outmatches Southeast Asian militaries by most measures. So why not police contested sea areas with inoffensive-seeming vessels while holding the big stick, the PLA, in reserve should things go wrong. The South China Sea is a huge waterspace for any force to police. Bodeen estimates the area covered by the new rules at 1.35 million square miles. Does China boast enough seagoing policemen to monitor what's happening throughout two-thirds of the South China Sea, and shoo away or apprehend those who defy Chinese law? Color me skeptical. Which means enforcement efforts may be scattershot, PLA assets may have to pick up the slack for law-enforcement services, or both. Deploying military assets to police supposedly sovereign islands and waters would crimp the narrative that China exercises indisputable sovereignty there. So would widespread disobedience. It's hard to envision Southeast Asian governments - heck, any government with a stake in the maritime order - accepting what Beijing is pushing. What if China passed a law and no one obeyed? We may see. The Diplomat |
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| Santi Kampilan | Jan 10 2014, 10:35 AM Post #13 |
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U.S. says China's fishing curbs 'provocative and potentially dangerous' Reuters A handout photo shows two Chinese surveillance ships which sailed between a Philippines warship and eight Chinese fishing boats to prevent the arrest of any fishermen in the Scarborough Shoal, a small group of rocky formations whose sovereignty is contested by the Philippines and China, in the South China Sea, about 124 nautical miles off the main island of Luzon April 10, 2012. (Reuters) - The United States, already at odds with China over that country's air defense zone, said on Thursday that new Chinese fishing restrictions in disputed waters in the South China Sea were "provocative and potentially dangerous." The legislature of China's Hainan province approved rules in November that took effect on January 1 requiring foreign fishing vessels to obtain approval to enter waters under its jurisdiction. Such a move, if broadly enforced, could worsen tensions in the region. Beijing claims almost the entire oil- and gas-rich South China Sea, rejecting rival claims to parts of it from the Philippines, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and Vietnam. "The passing of these restrictions on other countries' fishing activities in disputed portions of the South China Sea is a provocative and potentially dangerous act," State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki told a news briefing. "China has not offered any explanation or basis under international law for these extensive maritime claims." "Our long-standing position has been that all concerned parties should avoid any unilateral action that raises tensions and undermines the prospects for a diplomatic or other peaceful resolution of differences." The fishing rules followed China's creation of an air defense identification zone in late November above the East China Sea in an area that includes islands at the heart of a bitter territorial dispute with Japan. The United States responded to the declaration of the air zone by sending two B-52 bombers into the area without informing China. At the same time, it advised U.S. carriers to operate in line with so-called notices to aviators issued by foreign countries. The State Department spokeswoman gave no indication of any possible U.S. response to the fishing zone. HAINAN HOME TO CHINESE CARRIER According to the website of the Hainan legislature, foreign fishing vessels need approval to enter from the "relevant and responsible department" of the Chinese government's Cabinet. Hainan is home to Chinese naval facilities that include a purpose-built dock for the country's only aircraft carrier as well as a base for attack submarines. Hainan, which juts into the South China Sea from the country's southern tip, says it governs 2 million square km (770,000 square miles) of water, according to local government data issued in 2011. The South China Sea is an estimated 3.5 million square km (1.4 million square miles) in size. The Hainan rules do not outline penalties, but the requirements are similar to a 2004 national law that says boats entering Chinese territory without permission can have their catch and fishing equipment seized and face fines of up to 500,000 yuan ($82,600). Philippine Foreign Affairs Department spokesman Raul Hernandez said Manila had asked its embassy in Beijing to get more information on the rules. Hainan officials were not immediately available to comment, but Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying said regulating the use of China's marine resources was a normal practice. "The goal is to strengthen the security of fisheries resources and to openly and reasonably utilize and protect fisheries resources," Hua said at a regular news briefing when asked about the rules. Chinese enforcement of the fishing zone could depend on the nationality of the fishermen, said Shi Yinhong, an international relations professor at Renmin University in Beijing. "I think Hainan put it out to tell relevant countries we have such a regulation, but how we practice it depends on how bilateral relations are," Shi said. "If ties are good, the regulation may be loose. If not, we will practice it strictly, which means that you have to get approval from us before entering." China's ties with the Philippines have been especially frosty over the South China Sea. (Reporting by David Brunnstrom; additional reporting by Manuel Mogato in Manila and Sui-Lee Wee, Huang Yan and Megha Rajagopalan in Beijing; Editing by Peter Cooney and David Gregorio) |
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| Hong Nam | Jan 10 2014, 11:45 AM Post #14 |
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NO FISHING? China imposes fishing curbs: New regulations imposed Jan. 1 limit all foreign vessels from fishing in a zone covering two-thirds of the South China Sea. Edited by Hong Nam, Jan 10 2014, 11:46 AM.
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| Santi Kampilan | Jan 10 2014, 12:03 PM Post #15 |
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No fishing? Our people will starve! We need to publish what these Chicoms are doing. In PagAsa, their main food besides the rice brought in and some planted veggies, is mainly fish. We need to bring in the media and show the whole world that the kids are starving and the olds are getting sick. Our own propaganda machine! We should be relentless in countering them. Also, the fishermen need to play it smart. Stay close to the controlled islands including the gas and oil rigs. There is help there just in case CMS chase them. Time to accelerate our procurement of shore based ASM and AAM batteries. ![]() Edited by Santi Kampilan, Jan 10 2014, 12:24 PM.
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| ganymede09 | Jan 10 2014, 02:35 PM Post #16 |
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the PCG needs to have a massive capability upgrade aside from the incoming ships and training. This service is the key to protecting our fishermen and other national interests in the coming next several years without undue escalation from our end. Vietnam and Japan can be advisors/consultants to developing doctrine/tactics like ramming and other non-lethal means. |
| LET'S RAISE OUR MIDDLE FINGERs TO THE MIDDLE KINGDOM. | |
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| Uruzu | Jan 10 2014, 07:25 PM Post #17 |
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"I think Hainan put it out to tell relevant countries we have such a regulation, but how we practice it depends on how bilateral relations are," Shi said. "If ties are good, the regulation may be loose. If not, we will practice it strictly, which means that you have to get approval from us before entering." Such arrogance. |
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| Hong Nam | Jan 10 2014, 08:26 PM Post #18 |
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I think he is full of Shi-T. |
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| icefrog | Jan 10 2014, 09:11 PM Post #19 |
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'A PROVOCATIVE ACT' | China 'requires' foreign fishers to seek permission to enter West PH Sea
http://www.interaksyon.com/article/78391/a-provocative-act--china-requires-foreign-fishers-to-seek-permission-to-enter-west-ph-sea |
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| Parastriker | Jan 10 2014, 09:23 PM Post #20 |
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China's recent statements must be weighted very carefully and accordingly. On one hand, if we let the Chinese do this, we might have a chance of not making the status quo change to a full-blown war, until the time that we might be ready to take on what the Chinese could give out, realistically speaking. I mean, it's rather improbable that the PLA would send out everything that it has just for the sake of those godforsaken islands, right? However, this includes the disadvantage that we might not be able to do much about the situation of Filipino fishermen, which is a bad PR strategy and that makes the government look like as if it is not doing anything. (Which is true, in a relative sense; they haven't made any hard stance in these recent events. Yet.) However, there is also another option, which personally, I consider to be rather distasteful. It could be compared to the "Madman theory" that was popularized by my second-favorite American president, Lyndon B. Johnson. It goes along like this; we should actually make provocations and step up the ante in terms of military acquisitions (most specifically in the branches of PN, PAF and Marines) and operations (flybys, intentional targeting by fire-finding radar, flare-dropping close to PLAN ships, etc.) up until we manage to get the Chinese thinking that, "We must not press the Philippines, for Pete's sake, look at what they could do with something so few! Look how desperate they are, they're totally willing to send out everything against we have!" One good thing about this strategy is that we could wield our MDT with the U.S. like a big stick against the Chinese; we could state that if they dare to shoot down even one of our observation planes or scratch one of our patrol ships, we could invoke that as a cassus belli and enter a war with China, while invoking MDT in the process, thereby making the ensuing war as fair as a real-on basketball match between any UAAP Team and the U.S. Basketball Dream Team. The biggest disadvantage of this is that this is also a bad PR strategy; it would make us look like the aggressors, thereby robbing us of the moral bedrock we need to invoke MDT and NOT get the American government sprayed on with much controversy. Seeing how China could easily and plainly pull a "Philippines-goes-to-UNCLOS" act like it did with Japan, this plan could backfire on us. Insofar, these two are the only effective strategies I could see that we could apply, short of bowing completely to Chinese aggression. |
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